Thriving in the Upcoming Tobacco Apocalypse

[Elric]

Years ago a guy named Sablebrush suggested we start cellaring blends, lol. I listened. Still growing, but I’ve made a good start. Thank you for the insight, Sir!View attachment 360505

A wise man to listen to, and a great cellar!

 

[gord]

That’s fine - until you have to make the decision to actually pick up a weapon and actually use it as well as have someone shooting back at you!

Those of us who can, will. And we'll protect those who can't as well. I'm from a line of soldiers on both sides. No problem here.

 

[Richmond B. Funkenhouser]

Those of us who can, will. And we'll protect those who can't as well. I'm from a line of soldiers on both sides. No problem here.

Viva La Canada!

 

[ThomasS]

If you’d started your plants at the beginning of the thread, they’d be this big now

 

[gord]

If you’d started your plants at the beginning of the thread, they’d be this big now

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That about says it all! Bravo! All talk and no action creates a festering and fetid political climate.

 

[Aylesbury Pike]

As for me, here in Europe the prices make things harder plus we have no access to bulk. I have a monthly budget and I'm just buying that much tobacco a month. I will slowly build stock this way as I don't smoke too much. Problem is, I'm still working out my favourite blends. My goal is to have a handful of blends I really love, maybe 5 and just deep cellar them. Anyone else done something like this?

 

[Sigmund]

I try a lot but yes, Im after about half dozen I really like.

 

[Pypkė]

As for me, here in Europe the prices make things harder plus we have no access to bulk. I have a monthly budget and I'm just buying that much tobacco a month. I will slowly build stock this way as I don't smoke too much. Problem is, I'm still working out my favourite blends. My goal is to have a handful of blends I really love, maybe 5 and just deep cellar them. Anyone else done something like this?

I'm tending to go deep rather than wide in my cellar. Just buying two tins when you finish one tin will slowly build up a cellar. Smoke one, and set aside the other. Over a few months, you will have a bunch of tins of something you enjoy in your cellar.

 

[Wisps77]

The plan is simple. Be grateful for what I have. And don't worry about what I might not have tomorrow when I have it today.

 

[waterbelly]

Take your optimism and shove off

 

[woodrow]

Well I’m in Canada, and I’ve got the tax stories. I’m also retired. i have a few jars and once in a while I’ll try and get something from US friends. I have a sister in Palm Springs so that helps a bit.
I don’t think tobacco will ever be outlawed so to speak. The government through taxes just makes so much money with the sin tax.
As I age, what does frost my nads is someone hitting my wallet hard; and telling me what I should and should not consume.

 

[johnkerk]

This is super astute and basically (sadly) the conclusion I've come to as well. It's a weird market too because with all the variety that's pushed you think it's larger than it really is/growing when it's actually probably just a smaller niche of guys growing their spending enough to basically maintain the size in the end. Between that and the cellaring craze I think we've had an "Ersatz Renaissance" or a dead-cat bounce of the market over the last 5-10 years that's about to come due.

I started piping about 15 years ago and basically I noticed coming into it with still a bunch of good old brands, then McClelland. They were the big story but there was also the lane and middleton acquisitions/downsizing too. Then we had a bit of a bounce.. but it was really just the few firms left flooding the market with tons of new mixes of old things (the shit-ton of sutliff and C&D limited/seasonals).

Now we're again only seeing yet another big domino fall in that inevitable chain. It's the same thing with the rest of the economy. Between the inflation, demographic and cultural changes, etc... we truly are perched atop an ever faster melting ice flow, I'm afraid.

I gave you thumbs up because I agree with what you are saying, just don't like what you are saying! I just want to enjoy my smoke relax, not bother anyone or have to expand so much cash out of fear. I wanted my cellar to grow in time add things to it in a relaxed manner. Now I find that I am in a dog eat dog world of hurry it up and stock the sheet or it will be gone before you blink. Com on Stutliff and Mac B all at one go? never mind the collateral damage. The who's who of blenders that got their stuff from Stuliff. We all know that STG will never let the little guys have anything! They even destroyed all the machines at Stuliff making sure for it never to rise again!

 

[warren]

They even destroyed all the machines at Stuliff making sure for it never to rise again!

How and why would it have wanted to "rise" again? Just curious.

 

[johnkerk]

How and why would it have wanted to "rise" again? Just curious.

Anyone can use that machinery to make tobacco for the market. But they can't as STG destroyed them. So no one can do anything read between the lines please.

 

[warren]

It read as if you thought Sutliff might start another company. But, but, (splutter, stutter) wasn't the machinery theirs to destroy? Doing so would insure no "start- up" stole it from some warehouse to use in competition with the new owners.

I don't "do" read "between lines". I rely on writers to present their thoughts/points/ideas/etc cogently. Up front as it were, no arcane meanings. Just well thought out and presented, easy to understand by all, not open to interpretation when at all possible. Why would anyone do otherwise? But, that may just be me.

I apologize for thinking you were presenting your thoughts clearly and in a forthright manner so as not to require readers to create their own interpretations of your writings. I'll try to do measurably better in the future. Sorry, all my fault I suppose. I will treat your future postings as I would a politicians', looking for the hidden meanings, trying to sense what wasn't being "said" and so forth.

 

[tschiraldi]

As for me, here in Europe the prices make things harder plus we have no access to bulk. I have a monthly budget and I'm just buying that much tobacco a month. I will slowly build stock this way as I don't smoke too much. Problem is, I'm still working out my favourite blends. My goal is to have a handful of blends I really love, maybe 5 and just deep cellar them. Anyone else done something like this?

I don’t know about a budget but, yes I am focused on cellaring deep on my favorites.

 

[johnkerk]

I apologize for thinking you were presenting your thoughts clearly and in a forthright manner so as not to require readers to create their own interpretations of your writings. I'll try to do measurably better in the future. Sorry, all my fault I suppose. I will treat your future postings as I would a politicians', looking for the hidden meanings, trying to sense what wasn't being "said" and so forth.

Apology is mine, I went back to read what i wrote, I did imply that Stutliff was to rise again clear as day. I should have said nothing will rise out of the Sutliff Murder as no one can even use the machinery.

However you should practice on your interpretations nonetheless. This why the next time I post something stupid you should understand it .... without the need for me to apologies again.

 

[ThomasS]

I should do an update….


I didn’t mean to plant so many, to be honest - it was supposed to be a trial run, but those seeds are so small! There are 26 of them now (not all pictured )

 

[Wisps77]

I gave you thumbs up because I agree with what you are saying, just don't like what you are saying! I just want to enjoy my smoke relax, not bother anyone or have to expand so much cash out of fear. I wanted my cellar to grow in time add things to it in a relaxed manner. Now I find that I am in a dog eat dog world of hurry it up and stock the sheet or it will be gone before you blink. Com on Stutliff and Mac B all at one go? never mind the collateral damage. The who's who of blenders that got their stuff from Stuliff. We all know that STG will never let the little guys have anything! They even destroyed all the machines at Stuliff making sure for it never to rise again!

Yes. I completely agree with you. I was blasted with an extra excise tax on my last order which amounted to an extra 40 bucks. Which is completely unbelievable. And it seems I got a slap in the face because it happened a day or so after I posted about being grateful. Funny how that stuff happens

 

[NookersTheCat]

Yes. I completely agree with you. I was blasted with an extra excise tax on my last order which amounted to an extra 40 bucks. Which is completely unbelievable. And it seems I got a slap in the face because it happened a day or so after I posted about being grateful. Funny how that stuff happens

Yeah welcome to reason #17 why I won't order from P&C anymore lol.
Since I reside in PA and their *distribution center* also lives in Bethlehem, PA (Ofc the real business is in Denmark) all my purchases (even non-tobacco accessories) are subject to Pennsylvania intrastate tobacco excise tax.