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Pipe Dreamer and Star Gazer
Government regulations, STG, and a changing political and environmental climate. All of these things threaten pipe tobacco supplies, choices, varieties, and access. Australia, Canada, and New Zealand are basically already on the front lines feeling the impact of the changes being made to pipe tobacco access. But does this all mean doom and gloom?

For the less curious, the less ambitious, and the less persistent, maybe? But where many doors close, many more can open. I remember my law professor once asked me how I saw the law. I replied that I saw it as a set of stop signs that illuminated an infinite amount of spaces where no signs are posted. Opportunity will always present it to those who are in need and are... to quote Dumbledore, "worthy".

Tobacco will exist. Access to tobacco will exist. Procuring it may be be difficult, but it will exist.

Already, vast cellars of tobacco that can never be smoked by any one individual in any one life time exist. These micro warehouses will in time become distribution notes in and of themselves. The ability to home grow tobacco will eventually overtake the effort required to purchase it. Topping and casing kits will be sold to those who wish to home grow. The knowledge base necessary to grow, stove, cure, smoke, and prep tobacco for pipe smoking will become more accessible and will in time create a type of barter system shared among honorable smokers. The effort to bar the door will only create an inverse tidal force of resistance to break open the door.

We are not there now. Cellars will continue to grow - this is a relatively new behavior amongst pipe smokers. Entrepreneurs will watch, learn, and find ways to fill niches created when government regulators or Nordic revengers destroy the last major hold out producers. Long cherished blends will cease, but new ones, more innovative and creative will finally be given license to be created and accepted in the void that is created. In time, pipe smokers will someday laugh out trying to think that people in the past were left believing the best tobacco blends were made by professional tobacco blenders. The days of artisan blenders is before us, not behind us. Craft tobaccos will become sought after and new names will be added to the list of desirable blends.

The alternative. Cry, scream, boycott, stomp your feet. Get mad, get even, stop smoking. To what end will that get you? You and a cadre of others in the streets making noise, complaining, and threatening threats with loud voices. The night neither hears you or cares. But as for me..., I have enough to smoke a lifetime. If I need more, I have a patch of ground I can grow what I need. It isn't very big, but several plants a year will suffice. I can learn to sun cure, stove, and case, and top.

What are your plans?
 

PaulRVA

Lifer
May 29, 2023
4,898
82,804
“Tobacco Row” Richmond Virginia USA
I have enough cellared and living in Metro Richmond Virginia with contacts in the Carolinas and Louisiana I can literally get any whole leaf I could want or complain about processing.
I think for myself and a lot of others this territory is kind of the Last Bastion, Last Stand or the Line in The Sand that shouldn’t be crossed.
It will all be small batch, high priced, and more obscure fairly soon.
 

WVOldFart

Lifer
Sep 1, 2021
2,272
5,329
Eastern panhandle, WV
I was fortunate enough to realize a couple years ago that I was going to consolidate to a half dozen main blends. I have enough of those tobaccos to keep me happy to the day I die. You are correct in many comments, such as tobacco will be there if you are willing to pay for it, artisan blenders will arise and home growers will sprout. Worry never cured anything. Creativity to surmount those problems is the answer to most situations. I believe that most people are just sad that a big chunk of history is being lost.
 

JoeW

Part of the Furniture Now
Apr 1, 2024
722
5,218
Upper Peninsula, Michigan, USA
As a new (less than 1 year) pipe smoker, I've been thinking about this a bit over the past few months. I'm still figuring out what I like, but I'm probably quicker than I'd usually be to start stocking up on things I know I'll want in the future (e.g. Pegasus), and especially those that are likely to disappear in the near future. I'm not even bothering to try Sutliff or Mac Baren blends if I haven't tried them already: what's the point, if they're probably going away soon? Instead, I'm going to focus on things that I should be able to stockpile over the next few years.

I expect that the collapse of the giants will open up opportunity (market share) for the littler producers; barring a worldwide (or at least nationwide) tobacco ban, I expect (or at least hope) that I'll be able to buy decent tobacco from smaller outfits until they put me in the ground.

However, I'm likely to start growing my own in the next few years too: it will be interesting to see firsthand how that process works. It's a good idea to become self-sufficient, in case I'm wrong about the long term viability of smaller producers (or my own long term viability), and it seems like a fun project. I might start first, though, buying and processing whole leaf tobacco from others, to get my feet wet.

And if it all fails, I'll still have my pipes, and pleasant memories of tobacco.
 

sardonicus87

Lifer
Jun 28, 2022
1,393
14,191
37
Lower Alabama
I'm just hoping tobacco in general (cigarettes included) are available until I die, and that the worst that will happen is they do hammer down on bans but that they're only generational. Obviously I hope that never happens, but if it does, I hope that's the worst it would be. I'm old enough (37) to be grandfathered-in. Though if that happened, obviously as I get older, convenient selection will die due to less and less smokers (at an exponential rate compared to current decline) and companies jumping ship as it becomes less profitable or they skyrocket prices.

I don't have the space to grow my own tobacco, or the time to go through curing and production, or the space for equipment. I'd hope other passionate people would pickup the underground tobacco or tobacco bootlegging and that it's not cost prohibitive for me as a consumer, otherwise I will just have to quit.

I hope everyone that keeps passing laws making tobacco more onerous to acquire has it all blow up in their fn faces, and everyone that supports any kind of nanny state can go suck it, if something does you no harm and only harms the individual, then it's none of your business, it's up to that individual to assume their own personal risk, and if you don't like their choices, oh well, then just don't associate with them.

Sick of people trying to dictate how everyone else should live. People need to mind their own business and be more self-reliant in general and stop looking for control in a world that can't be controlled, stop taking out on other people your personal inability to: grow up and make up your own mind and make your own choices and deal with the fact that the universe is chaotic and meaningless and nothing you do will change that. Maybe read some Camus and stop being so afraid.

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FLDRD

Lifer
Oct 13, 2021
2,327
9,495
Arkansas
I took to heart what I have been reading here over the last 3+ years and bought extra tins on a continual / repetitive basis. I've got blends I've yet to try. I've got multiples of some that I found to be "better" than others, and I've got multiples of some that I really found to be favorites.

I was a greedy and eager participant of TAD. I have the funds and I'm frugal in all other areas of my lifestyle.

The last couple of weeks reading on these coming changes make me feel really good about having a few decades worth of leaf for my consumption.

The only thing I did differently due to these changes is that I bought a few more tins of a Hearth & Home blend earlier this morning. Other than that, I'm truly not effected.

Because I listened when others said: tobacco will never be cheaper.
 

woodsroad

Lifer
Oct 10, 2013
12,911
21,582
SE PA USA
I see a time when private sale of tobacco will be no different than what has become of the private sale of firearms. And that's not by happenstance. It's the same people, the same government agencies at work.

I'm headed out back to smoke a bowl and do some plinking. And I'll give some thought to the agricultural possibilities of the gas line meadow that cuts through the back of my property.
 

MisterBadger

Part of the Furniture Now
Oct 6, 2024
610
4,489
Ludlow, UK
I'm just hoping tobacco in general (cigarettes included) are available until I die, and that the worst that will happen is they do hammer down on bans but that they're only generational. Obviously I hope that never happens, but if it does, I hope that's the worst it would be. I'm old enough (37) to be grandfathered-in. Though if that happened, obviously as I get older, convenient selection will die due to less and less smokers (at an exponential rate compared to current decline) and companies jumping ship as it becomes less profitable or they skyrocket prices.

I don't have the space to grow my own tobacco, or the time to go through curing and production, or the space for equipment. I'd hope other passionate people would pickup the underground tobacco or tobacco bootlegging and that it's not cost prohibitive for me as a consumer, otherwise I will just have to quit.

I hope everyone that keeps passing laws making tobacco more onerous to acquire has it all blow up in their fn faces, and everyone that supports any kind of nanny state can go suck it, if something does you no harm and only harms the individual, then it's none of your business, it's up to that individual to assume their own personal risk, and if you don't like their choices, oh well, then just don't associate with them.

Sick of people trying to dictate how everyone else should live. People need to mind their own business and be more self-reliant in general and stop looking for control in a world that can't be controlled, stop taking out on other people your personal inability to: grow up and make up your own mind and make your own choices and deal with the fact that the universe is chaotic and meaningless and nothing you do will change that. Maybe read some Camus and stop being so afraid.

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Kobold

Lifer
Feb 2, 2022
1,447
5,137
Maryland
I tried my hand at growing my own this year and it didn’t work out but I just moved and have more land and sunlight to work with so I’ll try again. I’m not too worried about the tobacco apocalypse. It seems like a bummer but we will adapt.
 

LeafErikson

Lifer
Dec 7, 2021
2,273
20,012
Oregon
Growing tobacco is VERY easy as it's completely resistant to bugs and doesn't prefer nutrient-rich soil or high amounts of fertilizer. Getting the cure correct is more difficult in an area with dry summers, like where you and I live.

I can't see the United States ever bringing the iron fist down on 'guerilla' tobacco grows for personal use like some other countries, but you never know. I live in a remote place of Oregon with very little law enforcement and I would be fine to grow a few personal plants if I so choose. The risk is simply not worth it for the tobacco users that reside in countries that carry prison sentences for possession of unregulated tobacco or cultivation of unregulated plants. I'm curious to know whether or not those laws are ever actually enforced. Has anyone gone to prison in Australia or New Zealand for growing 6 personal tobacco plants?

In the US, the shrinking market is a much bigger threat than rising prices or anti-tobacco legislation, despite what many seem to think on this forum.
 

Sigmund

Lifer
Sep 17, 2023
3,130
30,257
France
I buy when I can get it and cross my fingers. There is no way I can accumulate tobacco on the scale of US buyers. Those quantities would be noticed and absurdly expensive. I smoke two to three small bowls a day. I may try growing sometime but in France snails will eat everything…do snails eat tobacco leaf? I imagine they do.
 

Ahi Ka

Lurker
Feb 25, 2020
6,820
32,588
Aotearoa (New Zealand)
Has anyone gone to prison in Australia or New Zealand for growing 6 personal tobacco plants?

here in NZ it is not illegal to grow tobacco. If you wish to grow tobacco in order to manufacture a tobacco product there is a personal exemption to the excise tax legislation of 5kg per person per year. Anything above this, or if you distribute it is an offence to the customs act NOT the drugs/narcotics legislation. This may seem strange, but tobacco has always been a highly taxed imported commodity.

While I can’t speak for OZ, there legislation differs to NZ in that tobacco is deemed an illegal plant to grow.