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Franco Pipenbeans

Part of the Furniture Now
Jan 7, 2021
648
1,698
Yorkshire, England
I was just having a moment to myself, looking through the online catalogue of an internet tobacconist here in the UK, weighing up whether to get Ennerdale Flake or RB plug and a thought came to me; have I got any spare jars to put the latest purchase in?

I promptly found that I don’t but a quick inventory of tobacco stocks shook me up a tad - there are now thirty two different blends on the go!

Now for some of you that is a trifling amount, you might have double, triple or quadruple that amount on your shelf, in your shed or in your footlocker but it really got me thinking.

I was looking on EBay at which estate pipe to buy next - I haven’t got a meerschaum, a straight Dublin or an apple and my bent pipes are but two so I might as well have a look for an old Peterson…no, not sand blasted, never could get on with the feel in the hand.
I checked the pipes to see where the gaps were in styles and ages and there are now twenty seven pipes on the rack - have they been breeding up there or something? Where have they all come from?

I, like I’m sure many of you out there, smoke a pipe because it reminds me of a different time, a different world, a world of stories about deserts and hot sun, tanks and dive bombers, hours spent with my Grandad listening to stories about a time I never lived through but that felt tangible in a way.
Grandad was an uncomplicated soul. As long as he had some tea, tobacco and the option of toast he was fine and dandy. He had three pipes: a bent sandblasted affair, a Zulu and an old corn cob pipe that he had got from somewhere with a stem that didn’t fit so he had to constantly hold the thing for fear the bowl would slide off and set fire to his cardigan.
He smoked one of three blends of tobacco - Condor (long cut preferably but ready rubbed if nothing else was doing), Erinmore (flake again was preferable) and St Bruno (flake again).

I once asked him why the flake, what was the difference? “It takes longer to burn, tastes nicer but, crucially, it stays moist longer than ready rubbed which can turn to dust in a flash!”
Noted and understood.
I once asked him why he smoked a pipe? There were many pictures of him, in his desert uniform, smiling broadly with either a pipe or a fag on the go; why had he knocked the cigs on the head? At that time only old men smoked a pipe - as a teenager you would have been laughed out of the smoking shed if you pulled a pipe out and set to work.
“Because cigarettes will kill you faster than the Germans, they are too easy to smoke one after the other, especially when ale is involved and they’re so bloody expensive!”

At the time I knew him (‘80’s and ‘90’s) two ounces of “bacca” would have been somewhere in the region of £3-5 I guess - fags were 99p for ten Red Band as I recall.
“Pipes smoke longer, are cheaper and they won’t knacker your lungs out; you wait till you can have a pint of Bass and smoke of Condor and tell me then that I’m wrong.” He wasn’t I have to confess but he was very particular about which beer went with which tobacco - something hoppy for Erinmore, something bitter for St Bruno, not that he drank very much but he had been a drayman before and after the war so he knew his local brews.

By the end of his career, Grandad was down to one pipe every two or three days but he never gave up; the pipe was as much a part of him as the cap he wore every time he stepped out of the front door or the walking stick that seemed surgically attached to his right hand (bad knee for which he blamed the Anzio beach landing).

I never once saw him clean a pipe - I don’t remember ever seeing a pipe cleaner in his possession - he used to spend Sundays rolling up “spills” as he called them (newspaper into thin tubes) and placing 30 or 40 into a pot beside the fire. He only used an ancient Ronson lighter if the fire wasn’t on; if the fire was on, he’d light his pipe with a spill - “Don’t waste your money on matches la”.
When it came to exotic tobacco, and please bare in mind I only knew him for 21 years, the most extravagant thing I can recall him doing was mixing the remnants of a pouch of Green Condor with a fresh pouch of Erinmore to “freshen it up”. At one time my Aunt and my cousins were holidaying in the Netherlands every summer and without fail they would bring back some Dutch cigars or some Duty Free Dutch tobacco and he wasn’t keen - “Cor, this tastes like something your n cleans the toilet wi’” he would say, looking sideways at his pipe but never once did he say “I can’t smoke this, I’ll give it to such and such.” He smoked the whole packet.

I’ve bought a load of different tobaccos over the pandemic and I have often said to myself “He’d have liked this one.” When I get one of those blends, I pop it into his old Zulu and hope that some way, some how, he is able to enjoy it in which ever part of the Universe he is.

I guess what I am trying to get at is do I need £400 worth of tobacco on the go at once? Do I need all those pipes? What would the old lad have thought about questions of “English blends”, a “Lakeland essence” or a “Burley forward” blend? He would have said “poppycock” as he quite often did when Oz Clark (wine reviewer) would wax lyrical about a New World Chardonnay that had a “whoosh of hollyhocks!” or some such hyperbole.

I never recall him chuffing on Squadron Leader or a Dunhill blend, I don’t recall any pig tail twist or plug though he talked about it in terms of the miners having to chew it at the coal face. As far as I remember he had one can on Hedges snuff that he took on cold mornings - I bought a 24 box multi pack recently.

We think we are worse off than our forebears but I’m pretty sure that the old boy is sat comfortably in his armchair cloud somewhere, puffing on some Condor, thinking “What is he doing spending all that money?”

Anyway, lust a Monday morning musing. Happy pipes.
 

OzPiper

Lifer
Nov 30, 2020
6,751
36,401
72
Sydney, Australia
Hobbies (if you think of a collection of pipes as such) and frugality are mutually exclusive terms :)

In pre-internet days, choices were somewhat limited to what was stocked by your B&Ms.

We now have a staggering and bewildering choice of pipes and tobacco fuelling your PAD and TAD, aided and abetted by product reviews and offers, and not least of all, by fellow Forums members showing off their latest acquisition(s).
 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
20,707
48,992
Southern Oregon
jrs457.wixsite.com
Pipes and tobaccos can be either a bargain or a money pit. I look at the stacks of tins and the cases of pipes and wonder if I've gone mad.
But I also like variety and availability. Tobacco prices aren't going down, and at this point I don't think in terms of quitting. Many blends that I used to enjoy are long gone, or only available on the secondary market at prices that are multiples of what I would have paid at retail. Because I created a small but robust cellar, I can still enjoy blends that are out of production for a small fraction of what other people pay on the secondary market. I can enjoy blends that are 5 to 30 years of age. Not cheap, but not a budget breaker because I don't pay high prices for out of production favorites. I'm mostly, but not completely done buying weed.
I like vintage pipes, old Britwood, and I've assembled some fine examples of the craft. I also enjoy contemporary artisan made pipes. And I've pretty much stopped buying pipes at this point. It's my one largess as I otherwise live quite frugally.
Your grandfather would certainly think me crazy, and he might be right about that, but I'm just indulging my passion for vintage pipes, and the flavors that pipe tobaccos offer.
 

workman

Lifer
Jan 5, 2018
2,794
4,230
The Faroe Islands
When you start smoking pipes, there might be some excitement about the novelty of it and the many options of pipes and tobacco fan that flame for a while.
After some time the novelty wears off and the smoking becomes part of your everyday life like anything else you might have going on. At that point you'll probably approach it the same way you approach everything else in your life according to your character.
If you are a frugal sort, that's how you do it. If you are an OCD kind of guy, you'll attach all kinds of rituals and rules to it, if you are a collector type, you'll collect and hoard stuff.
Do what's right for you, within your financial means. There is no certain way of doing it better than anyone else.
 
Mar 2, 2021
3,473
14,251
Alabama USA
I was just having a moment to myself, looking through the online catalogue of an internet tobacconist here in the UK, weighing up whether to get Ennerdale Flake or RB plug and a thought came to me; have I got any spare jars to put the latest purchase in?

I promptly found that I don’t but a quick inventory of tobacco stocks shook me up a tad - there are now thirty two different blends on the go!

Now for some of you that is a trifling amount, you might have double, triple or quadruple that amount on your shelf, in your shed or in your footlocker but it really got me thinking.

I was looking on EBay at which estate pipe to buy next - I haven’t got a meerschaum, a straight Dublin or an apple and my bent pipes are but two so I might as well have a look for an old Peterson…no, not sand blasted, never could get on with the feel in the hand.
I checked the pipes to see where the gaps were in styles and ages and there are now twenty seven pipes on the rack - have they been breeding up there or something? Where have they all come from?

I, like I’m sure many of you out there, smoke a pipe because it reminds me of a different time, a different world, a world of stories about deserts and hot sun, tanks and dive bombers, hours spent with my Grandad listening to stories about a time I never lived through but that felt tangible in a way.
Grandad was an uncomplicated soul. As long as he had some tea, tobacco and the option of toast he was fine and dandy. He had three pipes: a bent sandblasted affair, a Zulu and an old corn cob pipe that he had got from somewhere with a stem that didn’t fit so he had to constantly hold the thing for fear the bowl would slide off and set fire to his cardigan.
He smoked one of three blends of tobacco - Condor (long cut preferably but ready rubbed if nothing else was doing), Erinmore (flake again was preferable) and St Bruno (flake again).

I once asked him why the flake, what was the difference? “It takes longer to burn, tastes nicer but, crucially, it stays moist longer than ready rubbed which can turn to dust in a flash!”
Noted and understood.
I once asked him why he smoked a pipe? There were many pictures of him, in his desert uniform, smiling broadly with either a pipe or a fag on the go; why had he knocked the cigs on the head? At that time only old men smoked a pipe - as a teenager you would have been laughed out of the smoking shed if you pulled a pipe out and set to work.
“Because cigarettes will kill you faster than the Germans, they are too easy to smoke one after the other, especially when ale is involved and they’re so bloody expensive!”

At the time I knew him (‘80’s and ‘90’s) two ounces of “bacca” would have been somewhere in the region of £3-5 I guess - fags were 99p for ten Red Band as I recall.
“Pipes smoke longer, are cheaper and they won’t knacker your lungs out; you wait till you can have a pint of Bass and smoke of Condor and tell me then that I’m wrong.” He wasn’t I have to confess but he was very particular about which beer went with which tobacco - something hoppy for Erinmore, something bitter for St Bruno, not that he drank very much but he had been a drayman before and after the war so he knew his local brews.

By the end of his career, Grandad was down to one pipe every two or three days but he never gave up; the pipe was as much a part of him as the cap he wore every time he stepped out of the front door or the walking stick that seemed surgically attached to his right hand (bad knee for which he blamed the Anzio beach landing).

I never once saw him clean a pipe - I don’t remember ever seeing a pipe cleaner in his possession - he used to spend Sundays rolling up “spills” as he called them (newspaper into thin tubes) and placing 30 or 40 into a pot beside the fire. He only used an ancient Ronson lighter if the fire wasn’t on; if the fire was on, he’d light his pipe with a spill - “Don’t waste your money on matches la”.
When it came to exotic tobacco, and please bare in mind I only knew him for 21 years, the most extravagant thing I can recall him doing was mixing the remnants of a pouch of Green Condor with a fresh pouch of Erinmore to “freshen it up”. At one time my Aunt and my cousins were holidaying in the Netherlands every summer and without fail they would bring back some Dutch cigars or some Duty Free Dutch tobacco and he wasn’t keen - “Cor, this tastes like something your n cleans the toilet wi’” he would say, looking sideways at his pipe but never once did he say “I can’t smoke this, I’ll give it to such and such.” He smoked the whole packet.

I’ve bought a load of different tobaccos over the pandemic and I have often said to myself “He’d have liked this one.” When I get one of those blends, I pop it into his old Zulu and hope that some way, some how, he is able to enjoy it in which ever part of the Universe he is.

I guess what I am trying to get at is do I need £400 worth of tobacco on the go at once? Do I need all those pipes? What would the old lad have thought about questions of “English blends”, a “Lakeland essence” or a “Burley forward” blend? He would have said “poppycock” as he quite often did when Oz Clark (wine reviewer) would wax lyrical about a New World Chardonnay that had a “whoosh of hollyhocks!” or some such hyperbole.

I never recall him chuffing on Squadron Leader or a Dunhill blend, I don’t recall any pig tail twist or plug though he talked about it in terms of the miners having to chew it at the coal face. As far as I remember he had one can on Hedges snuff that he took on cold mornings - I bought a 24 box multi pack recently.

We think we are worse off than our forebears but I’m pretty sure that the old boy is sat comfortably in his armchair cloud somewhere, puffing on some Condor, thinking “What is he doing spending all that money?”

Anyway, lust a Monday morning musing. Happy pipes.
I thoroughly enjoyed reading about your experience with your grandfather.

For whatever reason, and I am a grand father myself, as I age I need less. If I buy a tool, like the new battery powered stick vaccum, it is for a purpose. To use an analogy, I would never have dozens of stick vaccums. I would never need dozens of carbon steel pans. What would I do with 6 leaf blowers? One is enough at a time. So, why would I need dozens of smoke pipes?

Now, I am not being negative or dismissive toward those members with rooms filled with pipes and tobacco. To each their own, but your grandfather, perhaps, learned the secret of life that less is more. The only pipe I'm using at the moment is a Peterson and I have one bag of Tobacco from the local shop.
 

stogie37

Part of the Furniture Now
Mar 24, 2012
673
3,491
Southport, North Carolina
@Franco Pipenbeans I think you might be a writer ? Very enjoyable musings and delivered in the vein of Robert Ruark - a favorite writer of mine. I have my grandfather’s shotguns and rifles - that is, a total of three pieces that would cover all his sporting needs. Very similar recollections regarding my memories of his “frugal luxuries”. Always bought quality, but only what he needed. I too only buy quality - but far more than I need. I imagine they’re exchanging notes on their grandsons now ? Thanks for sharing.
 
Great story. None of the pipesmokers in my family were collectors or hoarders. They smoked a pipe till it was too caked to smoke any more, tossed it, and bought a new one. Smoked whatever tobacco was available in the rural area in which they lived.

But, we all come to this for different reasons. Most of what we do now is made easier by the internet. I can order stuff from around the world, and share our collections with people around the globe. Add in, artisan pipemakers, threats to tobaccos and taxes, and it makes more sense why things are for so many now.

Loved the story.
 

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
41,210
60,610
The grandpa in the original post and my father have a lot in common. My dad worked in the financial district in a suit and tie, but as soon as he got home, it was always a buffalo plaid lumberjack shirt and work pants. In WWII, he was skipper of a YMS minesweeper in the Philippines. He smoked from about age 15 to 65, only owning one pipe at a time, and only smoking Granger, Kentucky rough cut with molasses flavoring. Dad would pack for a two week vacation in a valise that looked like it held the paper work for a modest tax return. He died at age 89 licensed to drive without glasses. The best gift I ever gave him was a shirt from the Philippines when I was an enlisted radioman on a minesweeper; the shirt was embroidered with fighting cocks in bright colors. He must have worn that shirt for twenty summers, and he had it repaired more than once. I used to joke with him that we were a family minesweeper dynasty.
 

forloveoffreedom

Starting to Get Obsessed
Apr 29, 2013
144
637
45 Degrees North in USA
Fantastic read, thank you. Thinking of my grandfather, he drove the same Cadillac for 30 years, drank the same beer everyday, smoked the same cigarettes but had many dozens of square dancing outfits that perfectly matched grandma’s. To be able to indulge in something that is not needed is a sign of enjoyment and success I think. Now please don’t look in all my cardboard boxes full of stuff in the garage please.
 

Fralphog

Lifer
Oct 28, 2021
2,080
26,115
Idaho
I was just having a moment to myself, looking through the online catalogue of an internet tobacconist here in the UK, weighing up whether to get Ennerdale Flake or RB plug and a thought came to me; have I got any spare jars to put the latest purchase in?

I promptly found that I don’t but a quick inventory of tobacco stocks shook me up a tad - there are now thirty two different blends on the go!

Now for some of you that is a trifling amount, you might have double, triple or quadruple that amount on your shelf, in your shed or in your footlocker but it really got me thinking.

I was looking on EBay at which estate pipe to buy next - I haven’t got a meerschaum, a straight Dublin or an apple and my bent pipes are but two so I might as well have a look for an old Peterson…no, not sand blasted, never could get on with the feel in the hand.
I checked the pipes to see where the gaps were in styles and ages and there are now twenty seven pipes on the rack - have they been breeding up there or something? Where have they all come from?

I, like I’m sure many of you out there, smoke a pipe because it reminds me of a different time, a different world, a world of stories about deserts and hot sun, tanks and dive bombers, hours spent with my Grandad listening to stories about a time I never lived through but that felt tangible in a way.
Grandad was an uncomplicated soul. As long as he had some tea, tobacco and the option of toast he was fine and dandy. He had three pipes: a bent sandblasted affair, a Zulu and an old corn cob pipe that he had got from somewhere with a stem that didn’t fit so he had to constantly hold the thing for fear the bowl would slide off and set fire to his cardigan.
He smoked one of three blends of tobacco - Condor (long cut preferably but ready rubbed if nothing else was doing), Erinmore (flake again was preferable) and St Bruno (flake again).

I once asked him why the flake, what was the difference? “It takes longer to burn, tastes nicer but, crucially, it stays moist longer than ready rubbed which can turn to dust in a flash!”
Noted and understood.
I once asked him why he smoked a pipe? There were many pictures of him, in his desert uniform, smiling broadly with either a pipe or a fag on the go; why had he knocked the cigs on the head? At that time only old men smoked a pipe - as a teenager you would have been laughed out of the smoking shed if you pulled a pipe out and set to work.
“Because cigarettes will kill you faster than the Germans, they are too easy to smoke one after the other, especially when ale is involved and they’re so bloody expensive!”

At the time I knew him (‘80’s and ‘90’s) two ounces of “bacca” would have been somewhere in the region of £3-5 I guess - fags were 99p for ten Red Band as I recall.
“Pipes smoke longer, are cheaper and they won’t knacker your lungs out; you wait till you can have a pint of Bass and smoke of Condor and tell me then that I’m wrong.” He wasn’t I have to confess but he was very particular about which beer went with which tobacco - something hoppy for Erinmore, something bitter for St Bruno, not that he drank very much but he had been a drayman before and after the war so he knew his local brews.

By the end of his career, Grandad was down to one pipe every two or three days but he never gave up; the pipe was as much a part of him as the cap he wore every time he stepped out of the front door or the walking stick that seemed surgically attached to his right hand (bad knee for which he blamed the Anzio beach landing).

I never once saw him clean a pipe - I don’t remember ever seeing a pipe cleaner in his possession - he used to spend Sundays rolling up “spills” as he called them (newspaper into thin tubes) and placing 30 or 40 into a pot beside the fire. He only used an ancient Ronson lighter if the fire wasn’t on; if the fire was on, he’d light his pipe with a spill - “Don’t waste your money on matches la”.
When it came to exotic tobacco, and please bare in mind I only knew him for 21 years, the most extravagant thing I can recall him doing was mixing the remnants of a pouch of Green Condor with a fresh pouch of Erinmore to “freshen it up”. At one time my Aunt and my cousins were holidaying in the Netherlands every summer and without fail they would bring back some Dutch cigars or some Duty Free Dutch tobacco and he wasn’t keen - “Cor, this tastes like something your n cleans the toilet wi’” he would say, looking sideways at his pipe but never once did he say “I can’t smoke this, I’ll give it to such and such.” He smoked the whole packet.

I’ve bought a load of different tobaccos over the pandemic and I have often said to myself “He’d have liked this one.” When I get one of those blends, I pop it into his old Zulu and hope that some way, some how, he is able to enjoy it in which ever part of the Universe he is.

I guess what I am trying to get at is do I need £400 worth of tobacco on the go at once? Do I need all those pipes? What would the old lad have thought about questions of “English blends”, a “Lakeland essence” or a “Burley forward” blend? He would have said “poppycock” as he quite often did when Oz Clark (wine reviewer) would wax lyrical about a New World Chardonnay that had a “whoosh of hollyhocks!” or some such hyperbole.

I never recall him chuffing on Squadron Leader or a Dunhill blend, I don’t recall any pig tail twist or plug though he talked about it in terms of the miners having to chew it at the coal face. As far as I remember he had one can on Hedges snuff that he took on cold mornings - I bought a 24 box multi pack recently.

We think we are worse off than our forebears but I’m pretty sure that the old boy is sat comfortably in his armchair cloud somewhere, puffing on some Condor, thinking “What is he doing spending all that money?”

Anyway, lust a Monday morning musing. Happy pipes.
Thank you for sharing. While reading, I was reminded of many wonderful visits with my grandfather. He retired a 30 year veteran of the Air Force, but interestingly enough started his credible service record in the Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC). Your post took me back to the wonderful stories and pictures of his many adventures and duty stations. My favorite stories were his time during the Burma Air lift and years stationed in England.
After he passed, I inherited his pipe kit: old stand, jar, worn leather tobacco pouch with his initials and of course some pipes. A modest collection that clearly speakers to his humble upbringing and practical approach to life.

Ironically, this trip down memory lane had me wondering what he might say looking at my pipe rack hanging on the wall with three rows (21 pipes) and his pipe rack on a near by table with pipes. The 13 plus blends and a recently started mason jar cellar. It made me smile and so appreciate all the simple lessons about life he passed on to me and cherish even more having his pipes to smoke.
I think I’ll go and get one of my favorite pipes of his (a KW 88S), pack it with an English and relive a visit and imagine the tales this ‘Ol pipe could tell!D34C77F9-0F50-44AD-9609-C50628A27F90.jpeg
 

condorlover1

Lifer
Dec 22, 2013
8,484
30,037
New York
People were frugal back in the day. I wore my Uncle Charles WW1 great coat when I was at university. My first motorcycle coat for winter wear was some battered leather old German WW1 fighter coat that went down to above my knee with a rather tatty lamb skin collar. I have often wondered how my uncle Claude got his hands on that but everyone picked up everything in those days and sent it home. Sadly today we live in a world were land fills are full of last years clothing fads. As my Father used to say 'Its a funny old world' and indeed he was right.
 

mrverveus

Lurker
Dec 14, 2019
2
5
When you start smoking pipes, there might be some excitement about the novelty of it and the many options of pipes and tobacco fan that flame for a while.
After some time the novelty wears off and the smoking becomes part of your everyday life like anything else you might have going on. At that point you'll probably approach it the same way you approach everything else in your life according to your character.
If you are a frugal sort, that's how you do it. If you are an OCD kind of guy, you'll attach all kinds of rituals and rules to it, if you are a collector type, you'll collect and hoard stuff.
Do what's right for you, within your financial means. There is no certain way of doing it better than anyone else.
Well said.