This Just Makes Me Sick
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Sure, but name calling and questioning people's moral integrity because your feelings are hurt about tobacco seems like an odd way to emotionally react. Maybe I'm just a robot.
Personally, I don't see all the hassle with Ebay, PayPal and then packaging and going to post office worth it, to make a few hundred dollars. To each their own I guess. If someone were to post something I really wanted and I thought it was worth it to me, I'd consider buying it and be happy I got it. Better to have the opportunity than not. I have no problem with people stocking up for their own use, I'm doing that myself. Frankly, I have more of an issue with "hoarders" than I do the "scalpers". But really, people should do what they want with their money.
Ha - I've never sold anything on eBay in my life. And it wasn't directed at me sure, but I can still see the fault in it.
It is interesting to see all the varied opinions on this subject. I am a capitalist so I have no problem with what is taking place. People are free to seek their profits where they will as long as it is not illegal. There is the possibility there is a saturation of the market and the flippers may have to sell low just to pay off their credit cards.
Now Ebay has stated no tobacco sales, yet doesn't enforce the rules. How long will that last and if it doesn't what other outlets are there for the flippers to ply their wares? I am not on social media so not sure if those are legitimate outlets.
One thing is for sure, these are not boring times we have ahead of us. I will watch with interest how the Dunhill closure has an impact on the tobacco markets.
Now Ebay has stated no tobacco sales, yet doesn't enforce the rules. How long will that last and if it doesn't what other outlets are there for the flippers to ply their wares? I am not on social media so not sure if those are legitimate outlets.
One thing is for sure, these are not boring times we have ahead of us. I will watch with interest how the Dunhill closure has an impact on the tobacco markets.
That has never been how scalping has been defined. Ticket scalpers don't create a shortage. The take opportunistic advantage of a shortage of tickets. Your argument doesn't fly.
That's the definition of a stupid business person. Creating ill will among your customers is a recipe for extinction. But stupid business people do exist.
Most certainly not true, especially in recent years. Just as a current example, ticket bots have purchased as much as 40% of available tickets for Hamilton, a show that was anticipated to sell out nation wide, to sell at ridiculous markups because of the scarcity they created.
I have built up a cellar over the past 5 years and am happy that I did so. With a very few exceptions, I bought most of it at retail, some of it at discount when other cellars were being sold off, and a few items on the secondary market at a price that I found reasonable. Barring disaster, I'm set for years. A number of things I have stocked are either no longer available, or have had the constituent tobaccos substituted for cheaper versions and aren't what I liked.
People here have been advising us to cellar while the cellaring is good. The McClelland vortex presents another reason why that is good advice if you want to have on hand what you like to smoke.
People here have been advising us to cellar while the cellaring is good. The McClelland vortex presents another reason why that is good advice if you want to have on hand what you like to smoke.
Funny, I had no problem buying tickets for that show. It was OK, not great.
So I will grant you a partial on that example, but it's not, by any means, the only way to apply the term, or even the major way to apply the term. I guess in this brave new world of predatory apps, businesses may have to find a way to combat such antics or just say "too bad" to their customers.
Your argument flaps a little.
I realize the term can be used a few different ways as it applies to ticket resale, but the more egregious methods that involve reselling for many times the face value is what I was referring to, not the secondary market as a whole.
Tickets for Hamilton here, by the time they became available for purchase were over $400/per. Taylor Swift tickets are going for +$800 (I've heard.
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At any rate, my point was that these tobacco "scalpers" didn't create the scarcity to manipulate the price. They seized the opportunity to flip for a profit. I still don't accept that the magnitude of this issue warrants the amount of discussion its garnered (guilty myself obviously), but I guess the full scope has yet to be realized.
Tickets for Hamilton here, by the time they became available for purchase were over $400/per. Taylor Swift tickets are going for +$800 (I've heard.
)At any rate, my point was that these tobacco "scalpers" didn't create the scarcity to manipulate the price. They seized the opportunity to flip for a profit. I still don't accept that the magnitude of this issue warrants the amount of discussion its garnered (guilty myself obviously), but I guess the full scope has yet to be realized.
This raise another point - by the time a seller has paid the purchase price of the item, 10% to ebay, 5% to paypal, and often paid shipping + the time involved in listing the item, taking the picture, packing, going to the post office.... the profits might not be as outrageous as they seem.
I don't see it as any worse than people flipping Esoterica, Balkan Sobranie, or even the McClelland Syrian blends after those went extinct. If some fool out there is so easily parted with their money as to buy these tins at 200% or 300% markup then so be it.
Eventually the craze will die down and perhaps there will be some hoards of McClelland for sale for pennies on the dollar when no other buyers can be found at astronomical prices. If not I've got enough to last me quite a while so I won't be a buyer at these crazy prices regardless. Although nothing could truly replace McClelland in my opinion I do also have other blends I enjoy and life will go on.
Eventually the craze will die down and perhaps there will be some hoards of McClelland for sale for pennies on the dollar when no other buyers can be found at astronomical prices. If not I've got enough to last me quite a while so I won't be a buyer at these crazy prices regardless. Although nothing could truly replace McClelland in my opinion I do also have other blends I enjoy and life will go on.
Thousands of people will pay $400 to 800 for a show? What do these people do for a living? I bawk at three drink minimums to listen to a show,.. unusually they don’t count coffee.
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