This is really sad.
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The article that was posted makes me angry. This is becoming a trend in society that makes no sense and is a discriminatory practice. If you were to change the "tobacco user" tag and replace it with anything else, it would not happen based off of the discrimination laws.
Another thing that is very dis-heartening is that smokers still want to segregate themselves from each other. This makes me very angry as well. People are running around looking for self preservation and going about it the cowardly way by just trying to protect their own selves instead of trying to protect the rights of everyone. If this was the case in a lot of things in history, freedom would never had existed. We have to stand up for the rights of EVERYONE, not just ourselves. Tobacco users are still falling for the 'Divide and Conquer' techniques that are being used.
Another thing is that without cigarettes, pipe tobacco would disappear faster than you can blink.
Here are some articles that I think everyone should read:
Divided We Fall: The Self Segregation of Smokers
This one was written by G.L. Pease:
Us VS Them
This article I wrote about when the news of HR4439 came out. The beginning part talks about the bill, but the part that you should read is after the red text that explains the bill.
Bill Introduced to Further Raise Federal Taxes on Pipe Tobacco
Another thing that is very dis-heartening is that smokers still want to segregate themselves from each other. This makes me very angry as well. People are running around looking for self preservation and going about it the cowardly way by just trying to protect their own selves instead of trying to protect the rights of everyone. If this was the case in a lot of things in history, freedom would never had existed. We have to stand up for the rights of EVERYONE, not just ourselves. Tobacco users are still falling for the 'Divide and Conquer' techniques that are being used.
Another thing is that without cigarettes, pipe tobacco would disappear faster than you can blink.
Here are some articles that I think everyone should read:
Divided We Fall: The Self Segregation of Smokers
This one was written by G.L. Pease:
Us VS Them
This article I wrote about when the news of HR4439 came out. The beginning part talks about the bill, but the part that you should read is after the red text that explains the bill.
Bill Introduced to Further Raise Federal Taxes on Pipe Tobacco
"Maybe we could apply the same principle to alcohol! I mean, beer is so low brow, Wine or a good scotch, well, thats just fine............................"
FYI the world of beer and spirits is and has been highly segmented for long time. Beer has nothing to do with premium spirits, wine is off the charts with segments even jug brands want nothing to do with fortified ghetto juice. It's the way of the world folks. Like I said before keep it small and target issues you have a chance of winning. Lumping yourself with a very unpopular product is a losing hand. I have nothing against any smokers but I've been through a local and state ban fights and by pointing out the difference to politicians worked. With this workplace issue I would be pointing out little things like we're not the ones getting lost on the way back from the printer every hour but a man/woman who might enjoy a pipe after work or a cigar on the golf course. What we need is a "Wine is Food" type talking point for pipes and cigars. 8O
FYI the world of beer and spirits is and has been highly segmented for long time. Beer has nothing to do with premium spirits, wine is off the charts with segments even jug brands want nothing to do with fortified ghetto juice. It's the way of the world folks. Like I said before keep it small and target issues you have a chance of winning. Lumping yourself with a very unpopular product is a losing hand. I have nothing against any smokers but I've been through a local and state ban fights and by pointing out the difference to politicians worked. With this workplace issue I would be pointing out little things like we're not the ones getting lost on the way back from the printer every hour but a man/woman who might enjoy a pipe after work or a cigar on the golf course. What we need is a "Wine is Food" type talking point for pipes and cigars. 8O
Bob, thanks so much for your post and the informative links, and the perspective they bring to this issue.
Some pipe smokers may want to run away from cigarette smokers, but that is ill-advised.
Smoke is smoke, whether it comes from a pipe, cigar or cigarette.
And tobacco is tobacco, whether its packed into a white paper tube or into a Savinelli.
Every measure that restricts the cigarette smoker, has the same effect on the pipe smoker.
The anti-smoking forces, now a broad and empowered worldwide coalition, don't want people to use tobacco in any form.
The place I usually buy my tobacco, only 10 minutes down the road, is an independent tobacco and booze store. They stock an endless variety of domestic and imported beer and spirits and all kinds of cigarettes. And they have a walk-in humidor for cigar smokers.
They also stock a wide selection of "drug-store" blends and offer 10 to 12 Lane bulk blends by the ounce. All at reasonable prices.
But their profit center is cigs first and then beer, then cigars. Pipe tobacco and pipe accesories are just a blip on the register tape.
If their cig sales take a dive, the joint would close and I would have to find a new place to buy my pipe tobacco.
Thus, I have a vested interest in opposing restrictions on cig smoking and sales.
Frankly, if some pipe smokers consider themselves above or somehow different from cigarette smokers they are misguided.
The anti-tobacco movement doesn't care how much you paid for your churchwarden or how delightfully aromatic your new $6.50 per ounce blend is. Or that it has an intriguing name.
To them you are just another tobacco user.
And they are right.
To them you are just another smoker.
And they are right.
Do not underestimate the energy or determination of the anti-tobacco movement.
Public smoking -- buildings, parks, city sidewalks, outdoor venues, etc. -- might be totally extinct within 5 years, at least in North America.
I don't envision that smoking in your own yard or home will be illegal, only because it will be impossible to enforce, much like the Prohibition Era regulations.
But as tobacco sales decline, and taxes and restrictions increase, the cost of smoking a pipe might become prohibitive to middle class Americans. As usual, the affluent are immune.
Those who have stocked their cellars will be able to boast and say "I told you so."
The rest of us would have to decide whether we want to pay 15 bucks for an ounce of pipe tobacco.
Now that would be sad.
Some pipe smokers may want to run away from cigarette smokers, but that is ill-advised.
Smoke is smoke, whether it comes from a pipe, cigar or cigarette.
And tobacco is tobacco, whether its packed into a white paper tube or into a Savinelli.
Every measure that restricts the cigarette smoker, has the same effect on the pipe smoker.
The anti-smoking forces, now a broad and empowered worldwide coalition, don't want people to use tobacco in any form.
The place I usually buy my tobacco, only 10 minutes down the road, is an independent tobacco and booze store. They stock an endless variety of domestic and imported beer and spirits and all kinds of cigarettes. And they have a walk-in humidor for cigar smokers.
They also stock a wide selection of "drug-store" blends and offer 10 to 12 Lane bulk blends by the ounce. All at reasonable prices.
But their profit center is cigs first and then beer, then cigars. Pipe tobacco and pipe accesories are just a blip on the register tape.
If their cig sales take a dive, the joint would close and I would have to find a new place to buy my pipe tobacco.
Thus, I have a vested interest in opposing restrictions on cig smoking and sales.
Frankly, if some pipe smokers consider themselves above or somehow different from cigarette smokers they are misguided.
The anti-tobacco movement doesn't care how much you paid for your churchwarden or how delightfully aromatic your new $6.50 per ounce blend is. Or that it has an intriguing name.
To them you are just another tobacco user.
And they are right.
To them you are just another smoker.
And they are right.
Do not underestimate the energy or determination of the anti-tobacco movement.
Public smoking -- buildings, parks, city sidewalks, outdoor venues, etc. -- might be totally extinct within 5 years, at least in North America.
I don't envision that smoking in your own yard or home will be illegal, only because it will be impossible to enforce, much like the Prohibition Era regulations.
But as tobacco sales decline, and taxes and restrictions increase, the cost of smoking a pipe might become prohibitive to middle class Americans. As usual, the affluent are immune.
Those who have stocked their cellars will be able to boast and say "I told you so."
The rest of us would have to decide whether we want to pay 15 bucks for an ounce of pipe tobacco.
Now that would be sad.
Cornguy you said it better than I could. We need to support one another regardless of our own preferences.
Guys why do we think pipe or cigar smoking is really any different? The biggest difference that makes us not as likely to get much of the diseases as cigarette smokers is we dont inhale if you inhale your pipe or cigar you are not much better of than cigarette smokers. This is one of the reasons were losing this battle half the time we sound just like the antis agreeing how horrid cigarette smoking is and then saying but my tobacco is different that funny as hell we sound like real asses when we talk like this.
It seems as though we have an invisable wall being built, just like to real one R.Regan worked to bring down. I say we light up for our rights, the freedom of choice. They will have to lock me up, because I love :
: on my pipes and a good cigar as well!
: on my pipes and a good cigar as well!
So many of our Freedoms are being eliminated .......it is past time to wake up regardless of
party affiliation and look around and work to save our basic freedoms. The nannies will soon have
all of our freedoms stripped and there will be nothing we can do about it.
party affiliation and look around and work to save our basic freedoms. The nannies will soon have
all of our freedoms stripped and there will be nothing we can do about it.
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