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numbersix

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Jul 27, 2012
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Small dogs are very territorial and will sound the alarm at the slightest noise, that's really all you need a dog to do,
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We have had cocker spaniels for many years now. They are a sporting breed, don't shed, and aren't yippy. Our latest has a nice deep bark. The good thing is, if I hear a strange noise and my dog ain't barking, I go right back to sleep.
We used to have a lab, but the shedding can be a bit much. Basically, with short hair dogs (like labs and shepherds), expect to find dog hair everywhere.
I will add, if you live in an area where you have to fear your own neighbors (like a certain nephew of mine does), then having an intimidating dog is the way to go. Good luck.

 

mlyvers

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Sep 23, 2012
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get a boxer, they will sound the alarm so you can protect yourself and family, we have had boxers for over 30 years. they are also great with infants and childern. no agreesion towards family members.

 

numbersix

Lifer
Jul 27, 2012
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get a boxer, they will sound the alarm so you can protect yourself and family, we have had boxers for over 30 years. they are also great with infants and childern. no agreesion towards family members
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I haven't owned one, but friends have for many years and think they are the greatest. The also have a tough look about them.
p.s. I will add, if your heart is set on a big dog, I would choose a German Shepherd over a Doberman. Shepherd's have a stellar reputation as a guard dog and a family dog.

 

zonomo

Lifer
Nov 24, 2012
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Yes, this will be a family guard dog. About this idea of a "safe neighborhood" I dont think such a think really exists. We will live in Bellevue WA, which arguably is one of the nicer cities in WA state, lots of Microsoft money, extremely good schools. So it's considered "safe". In 2012, there was 1 murder, 23 rapes, 58 robberies, and 58 assaults in a city of 127,000. These aren't terrible statistics but as I said, we both have an elevated threat level.
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/wa/bellevue/crime/

 

numbersix

Lifer
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A great video, thought this belonged in this thread:
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numbersix

Lifer
Jul 27, 2012
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About this idea of a "safe neighborhood" I dont think such a think really exists.
It's true, but some are definitely worse than others. Still, I agree, a big dog can be a deterrent to crime. If some neighborhood kids are out to rob a house, and they know you have a German Shepherd, they are going to probably choose your neighbor, the one with the cocker spaniel! lol.

 

zonomo

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Nov 24, 2012
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So the neighborhood where my gf lives is considered to be one of the safest in Bellevue. Nice houses, nice people, family oriented, etc. Recently a bad guy has been hiding behind garbage cans late at night and when the woman gets out of her car, he robs her at gun point. He has gotten away with this on 4 occasions so far. I have installed a motion detector next to the house which is only activated if there is movement on the side of the house (not the car driving up to the drive way), i have also fixed the gate to make sure it's locked/shut, so if its ever jarred or slightly open, we know someone entered the gate. We have some procedural things that we've implemented for her too.

 

scottishjohn

Starting to Get Obsessed
Dec 17, 2012
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Zonomo, I really have to agree with philobeddoe, dervis, and numbersix. Big does not mean good protection. For that one needs a gun! Many dogs will sound an alarm (particulary the smaller breads) but they all will fall down on the job for "protection" unless you have the proverbial "junk yard dog", who does not like anyone (including you). I have a Samoyed, and although he is big, and occasionaly scares people that are not familiar with them (as he looks like a White Wolf), he actually would probably show you where the money is, and certainly give you a kiss, if you offered him a treat. I saw a video of a test that was performed to check out the reliability of a guard dog. It was done on several breeds, all supposidly trained to protect and in each and every case, when confronted with a unknown visitor, after a bark or two, they just would lay down somewhere, and let the treaspasser have his way. BIG DOES NOT MEAN YOU WILL BE PROTECTED. .45 caliber.....now that is BIG!

 

joshwolftree

Part of the Furniture Now
get a chow. They were bred for personal security in Asia. They are great family dogs and get along with kids, but woe be to any who they don't know or weren't introduced to by their family.
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Most commonly kept as pets, Chow Chows tend to display discernment of strangers and can become fiercely protective of their owners and property. The American Kennel Club standards, however, consider an all-too aggressive or all-too timid Chow Chow to be unacceptable. For that reason, some owners have attributed a cat-like personality to the Chow Chow.
Owning a Chow Chow can raise the cost of homeowners insurance because some companies consider them high-risk dogs. In a study in the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association, out of 238 fatalities related to dog bites from 1979 to 1998, Chow Chow were responsible for eight.
Chow Chow are not excessively active, meaning that they can be housed in an apartment. However, Chow Chow living in apartments will need daily exercise to prevent restlessness and boredom. Upon realizing that exercise is a daily occurrence, Chow Chow will tend to be more assertive with owners in anticipation of such activities.
from the temperament portion ofThe Wikipedia on Chows

 

numbersix

Lifer
Jul 27, 2012
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BIG DOES NOT MEAN YOU WILL BE PROTECTED.
That is a good point and while I vote for a small dog overall, another POV is that many robberies are committed by local kids - who watch your home and know when you leave the house. They will also know if you own a big dog; and even if the dog isn't a trained attack dog, I would bet that it would be a bigger deterrent over a small dog.
All of that said, I wouldn't get a big dog for protection reasons alone. You need to like the dog's temperment, etc.
Personally, I just can't be bothered to worry about every possible thing that could go wrong in my life. Which is why I own a small dog - much easier to take care of.

 

zonomo

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Nov 24, 2012
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@Scottishjohn: Trust me when I say we are well armed (and trained). So the dog is really an early warning system + we both love dogs. Some good perspectives here that I handnt considered but now will. BTW, my dog before my last one was a Sammie. I LOVED That Dog. Super friendly and extremely smart. But probably too nice for what we want to do here.

 

dochudson

Lifer
May 11, 2012
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of the two choices I would definitely go for the GS. do not get one from a backyard breeder or pet shop. do your homework on local breeders. There are some great dogs to be had from your local rescue or animal shelters. Particularly if you don't want a puppy that needs house trained and will chew the legs off of your furniture. I would suggest that both of you go through obedience classes with it.

 

crpntr1

Lifer
Dec 18, 2011
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OK heres my pov whether you want it or not...you're both armed and trained, I assume you leagaly cary as well, so what you want is an "early warning system"..this is my perspective as well..I have 2 dogs, 1 specifically to pick up waterfowl that I hunt, she lives in the house with us, the other as I've said is the bulldog we got a couple weeks ago. Neither we're specifically for guard dog purposes, I've wanted a bulldog for as long as I remember. I as you have the get out of the truck route covered for security, in the house one of the dogs will warn me of strangers, when I'm not home if theres a break in the police will be alerted and I live 1/2 a mile from the station so they should makr it there within an hour, I have insurance that will take care of us...possesions can be replaced.

If this is your opinion, any attentive breed that loves his family and has asome training will serve you well. Labs and Bulldogs especially :wink:

 

rmbittner

Lifer
Dec 12, 2012
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Okay, forgive me, but why is this posted under "General Pipe Smoking Discussion"? Shouldn't it be in "General Discussion"?

 

joeahearn

Starting to Get Obsessed
Nov 30, 2012
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A few years back, I lived in a very rough neighborhood. It was actually a beautiful neighborhood, but then an organized gang of drug dealers opened a number of crack houses and things really went to hell. I am talking lots of shootings, drive-byes, gangs of wild kids out roaming the streets. My house was broken into three times in about a year and I was shot at once. (Then I got a dog and got serious about my security and most of that bullshit stopped.) It was a truly dangerous situation. And it was very sad how a beautiful older neighborhood previously populated mainly by older people became a nightmare.
During that period, I owned a Belgian Malinois dog. Based on my experience, I would disagree with posters who say that the size of the dog does not matter. It mattered a lot. My dog, Walt, was so big and protective and snarly that the local wild boys starting calling him "loco diablo." They left us alone after he bit two people who meant to do us harm. He also once single-handedly cleared the street when a big gang fight started in front of my house. With all due respect, a little dog would never have made a difference there and then.
Belgians are not for everyone. They are very smart and independent dogs and they can be very stubborn and willful. However, they are very serious about protecting their homes and families and because they are athletic and aggressive they have the means to do so.
Later on, I had a Pit Bull, who was without a doubt the kindest, smartest dog I have ever owned. He was also a tremendous guard dog. He once chased a would-be burglar THROUGH a wooden fence. He always got between my wife and any stranger and he charged a number of people who were acting aggressive and crazy. Again, he had the size, attitude, fearlessness, and athleticism to make a difference.
I no longer live in that neighborhood, thankfully. But my experience there has taught me that when the chips are really down, you do want a big, alert, aggressive dog with you. The dog will react much quicker than you possibly can, will pick up threats way before you do, and the size and attitude of the animal WILL make people think twice about messing with you or your home.
If you are concerned about your security, or you are living in a neighborhood that has become a war zone, you want these things:
-- Good property insurance

-- Good locks and doors

-- A seriously capable guard dog

-- An electronic security system in your house and in your car

-- Well thought-out security planning

-- Last, and I mean, last, a gun and the training to use it. The other things are much more important. I say this as a gun owner.
I cannot stress enough that when someone comes after you or your property, they will do it when you are least aware and most vulnerable. You almost certainly will not be able to react quickly enough and decisively enough to deter the action. A big, aggressive, smart dog will often TAKE CARE of the situation when you are still only vaguely aware it is happening. And if you ever get people breaking into your house, you will wish you had DOZENS of big mean dogs inside. The sense of violation and the damage these creeps cause is not to be believed. I was broken into, and had significant thefts, four times. Once the people who broke in were THREE ex-cons, all of whom had done time for either murder or physical assault. You do not want these people in your house. And if they get in, believe me, you will want every avantage you can get. I love all dogs, large, small, in-between. I just want to say, very seriously, that if you really are worried about your security, get a big, smart, aggressive dog and train it well. You will have no better friend when the shit hits the fan.

 

cigrmaster

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May 26, 2012
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When I lived in R.I I had an acre and a half of land and I owned a white German Shepard. He was 125 pounds and he looked like a giant wolf when he went after people. He never bit anyone but if anyone came on to the property he would scare the shit out of them. He was so protective of my kids and his territory that I never had to lock the doors. If anyone would have not stopped dead in their tracks when he came charging, he would have attacked. My kids could hang all over him, grab his ears, ride him and do whatever and he was as gentle as could be. We got a Maltese who was a female and she would growl at him, bite him and hang off his lips and he wouldn't do a thing, she weighed maybe 7 pounds. It was the third shepard I had owned all being white and they are great dogs, unfortunately they shed something awful and they all get bad hips.

I know have a yorkie and an American Bulldog. The bulldog is the most loving and friendly dog I have ever owned and is also very smart. He loves everyone and is almost a year old and weighs 90 pounds. He will growl if anyone comes to the house but once he sees anyone he wants to lick them to death.
Here is my favorite pic of Brutus, he sits in a chair like a human, and I honestly believe he thinks he is human. He is just chilling on my lanai looking up at the clouds.

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salewis

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Jan 27, 2011
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You could get a lovable Labrador Retriver and he/she would lick a burgler to death since they like everyone.

 

numbersix

Lifer
Jul 27, 2012
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cigrmaster:
they shed something awful
I could see myself getting a German Shepherd, they're great dogs except for the shedding. I know what it's like to live with a dog that sheds a lot and it's worse than one might expect.

 
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