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oldmansmoking

Part of the Furniture Now
May 13, 2017
587
65
UK
I am ok despite eating and drinking the Doc said I was losing weight, "is this deliberate" he said!

Hell no, bet the cancer is eating my food!!
Who can tell what's going on in the body of man! Unless we cut him up.

 

deathmetal

Lifer
Jul 21, 2015
7,714
35
Not you in particular, although I am sure you would be quite tasty.
My favorite doctor joke is about a dentist actually. The dentist tells his patient, "Welp, this one might sting a little." The patient reaches out and grabs the dentist's testicles, and says, "We're not going to hurt each other, are we, doctor?"

 

davet

Lifer
May 9, 2015
3,815
334
Estey's Bridge N.B Canada
I'm not to worried Warren, universal health care and all that. Between my union benefits and the wife's on top of that I've never actually used them except for an occasional prescription. Since switching to a more natural pain killer (topical cream) I haven't used any benefits in over a year and a half. :mrgreen:

The wife's insurance stated they would pay for my prescription if the Health Canada would assign a number to it.

 

cortezattic

Lifer
Nov 19, 2009
15,147
7,642
Chicago, IL
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brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
10,154
16,470
During the consultation he said, "do you smoke" yes a pipe I said. "Do you realise smoking is probably the worse thing you can do for your health"
The problem with your doctor's statement is that it's just simply not true. Pipe smoking is not the worst thing you can do for your health. In fact it's way, way down on the list.

 

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
41,211
60,656
Comparing notes with my friends and from my own experience, I think many docs in the U.S. don't belabor smoking pipes so much. I think trends in med school, at least in the U.S., have moved toward working with the patient in the interest of their health rather than playing parent or God. That was hard on the patient and even worse on the doctors. Of course, there is always personality. Some docs were great at mathematics and science in high school and college, but haven't a shred of people skills.

 

prairiedruid

Lifer
Jun 30, 2015
2,052
1,355
My wife is in the hospital at the moment and was asked if she was ready to quit smoking cigarettes to which she replied yes. She's in and out of the hospital fairly regularly and always says yes to shut up the docs. Then they ask if I smoke and I answered that I'm a pipe smoker and was told I had to quit because she'd smell mine and want to smoke. I laughed and said most of the stuff I smoke she hates the smell of. Wife laughed and said that was very true. I smoke outside or in my little computer room so she doesn't have to smell it as much......maybe I can convert her to pipes!!!!
I was just in 2 weeks ago for my yearly medicare check and my usual doc has no problem with my pipe smoking especially since my "numbers" have improved greatly in the 2 years I've smoked.

 

hobie1dog

Lifer
Jun 5, 2010
6,888
237
68
Cornelius, NC
Doctors just "practice " medicine
My friend goes to see a Chinese doctor friend said to him one time , "doctors in your country go to school to learn which pills to prescribe, we go to find out how to cure people"

 

jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
26,264
30,362
Carmel Valley, CA
Funny that I have just returned from a visit to my 80 year old Doc to get a renewal of a prescription. He asked on our first visit if I smoked and I said a pipe. He hasn't brought it up since. He also said my heart and lungs are very good under the stethoscope, and my BP is normal. I am very grateful.

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
12,421
18,843
Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
I keep watching as universal health care inexorably takes hold in the USA. One of the restrictions sure to come of it will be something along the lines of: "If you want the coverage you will have to be smoke free for six months." Or some such. Perhaps, "smokers will not be covered with regard to tobacco related illness." For sure one can see coming the situation where people with smoking related, or other "self-inflicted" illnesses are relegated to the bottom of the list.
Some swear such is the case in Great Britain, Ireland and other places. It's not a regulatory situation, simply the response (mind set) of individual doctors/administrators working in the system. They have limited resources with which to treat the population and feel it necessary to "triage" or, shuttle off to the side, those they feel are not "participating."
"Universal Health Care" is probably the greatest threat to "choosing" one's lifestyle in the future. High risk behavior simply cannot exist in such a system. And, that is why more than a few doctors will opt out of such a system and make moneys, hand over fist, in private practices. Smokers, wealthy smokers, will become assets to them, sought out, coddled, properly treated, all for a price.
The above is based on personal observation, anecdotal information from friends living under "Universal Healthcare", and reading British/Canadian/Irish papers, magazines and books on the subject. It is a "zero sum" game. If there are forty beds and sixty patients well... do the math. It's forty beds for forty patients so choices must be made by the government so the system doesn't break completely. X number of doctors can only treat X number of patients so the answer is to put some "doctor" work into the hands of lesser trained individuals, reduce the number of eligible patients, and so on until the system simply collapses due to lack of professionals and moneys.
I was extremely lucky in my one, personal, interaction with "Universal Healthcare" as my business partners were well connected. I was treated in a state controlled hospital which only treated certain strata of the citizens. The treatment was excellent, immediate admittance, single room, view, one (very competent) doctor assigned, well staffed, everything one could ask for. That level of treatment was not available for cab drivers, retail clerks, teachers, clerks, stevedores, etc. Social/Political status and/or moneys were the criteria for admittance and treatment.
Universal Healthcare is always great when it is new and shiny. Put a little age on it, some dents and dirt and it's not what good intentions imagined it would be thirty or forty years earlier.
So, smoke 'em if you got 'em!

 

aldecaker

Lifer
Feb 13, 2015
4,407
46
I think most people know it's shit now, but many have an "in for a penny, in for a pound" political dogma mentality. "If I'm going to look like an elitist, forward-thinking progressive, I have to profess my faith in ALL of this horseshit, not just the stuff that makes sense. I don't want anyone thinking I'm an inbred hillbilly because I stray from the fold."
You want to talk about non-participants? This Obamacare cat's astrophe is 100% because of the non-participants in society; namely, how do we shift money from those who pay for health care to those who don't.

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
12,421
18,843
Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
I knew my post might trigger politics but, "Universal Healthcare" transcends political parties and personalities. Both parties favor it. Any politician or politician wannabe has to pay verbal homage to some sort of "Universal Healthcare" in order to have any chance of being elected.
It is coming, it's simply a matter of the form and how long it'll survive. Perhaps the USA can find the magic recipe. I doubt it but, we can hope.
It's a social debate, not a political one. But, I apologize and Michael or some other mod can feel free to delete it as it sidetracks the OP.

 

aldecaker

Lifer
Feb 13, 2015
4,407
46
Don't get me wrong, I'm 1000% sure that whatever the Republicans are trying to cook up is just as moronic. Neither one of those packs of imbeciles will address the issue: The COST of health care in the U.S., not who pays for healthcare in the U.S. We already had a magic recipe, which is why the dipshit Canadian PM or whatever he was went to the U.S. to have his life-saving operation. But, like everything else we get right, we are insanely obsessed with screwing it up in the name of "progress".

 

brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
10,154
16,470
Just thought this thread could use a musical interlude:
My Meds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjQG0aGozMI

 

mawnansmiff

Lifer
Oct 14, 2015
7,884
8,881
Sunny Cornwall, UK.
Here in the UK we have the NHS (National Health Service) which everyone pays into with National Insurance, taxes etc. Everyone then (usually) gets the treatment required when required at no further costs.
The problem is the anti smoking lobby complain that smokers are costing the NHS a small fortune in treatment costs due to their filthy habit. Of course they don't take into account all the extra revenue the Government gets (billions of pounds) from the sale of tobacco and cigarettes, which are taxed very heavily indeed.
What they really should be worried about is if/when the Government finally bans all tobacco related products (which they intend to do), how is that lost revenue going to be collected? Overall tax rises will have to be made to make up the shortfall. Then they really will have something to complain about.
Regards,
Jay.

 

aldecaker

Lifer
Feb 13, 2015
4,407
46
We have similar short-sighted nimrods here as well, Jay. They don't understand the simple mathematics of smokers dying in a timely manner; apparently they'd rather pay out Social Security and Medicare until a person is 105.

 
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