The Tonka Bean: An Ingredient So Good It Has to Be Illegal

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shanez

Lifer
Jul 10, 2018
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The beans may not be legal in the US but I doubt it means their essence used in a tobacco is not.
Correct. It is only the natural beans that can't be imported.

There was a time when I could've come up with several possible reasons why the beans were banned but I'd bet money that once upon a time someone in the vanilla industry felt a little threatened and pushed for the ban.
 

lonepiper

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Aug 27, 2017
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Saspirila soda drinks were all pulled in the early 70's because they found that the root was actually poisonous. Root beer used to be made from it also, almost the same taste. But now root beer is made from artificial stuff. Isn't it weird how something can be so deadly, yet we never hear of anyone dying from it?
You'd have thought that if root beer and saspirila were so deadly, that with everyone I know back then was drinking it, why didn't anyone get sick?

Tonka bean, now, it kinda explains why I feel sorta weird after smoking it, ha ha. It's usually me making other people feel weird, ha ha.
My grandfather used to go out every fall and dig up sassafras roots and leave them in the cellar to dry out. All winter he’d throw them in a pot on the stove with some water to steep and there’d be sassafrass tea for anybody who wanted a cup. Years later I read that it is poisonous and was pulled commercially from the US markets in the 60s. He lived to 90. I can’t say if it affected me because I never liked the stuff so I rarely had any.
 

anotherbob

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Mar 30, 2019
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And The Atlantic article doesn't even mention pipe tobacco blends. I was drawn in by the confusion of the two chemicals too, so I guess I cannot get hugely upset. FDA is loaded with scientists with M.D.'s and Ph.D.'s and both, who should have sorted this out and corrected it long ago.
it's really not a priority to fix this is issue. Why would it be?
 
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karam

Lifer
Feb 2, 2019
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Correct. It is only the natural beans that can't be imported.

There was a time when I could've come up with several possible reasons why the beans were banned but I'd bet money that once upon a time someone in the vanilla industry felt a little threatened and pushed for the ban.
Maybe, it’s hard to tell, I was talking to a friend who’s a pharmacist about various tobaccos and mentioned 1792 and the tonka flavouring, first thing she said was “got to watch that coumarin”, so it’s embedded in them, raises a flag instantly, although you’d have to eat a silly amount to be in trouble. i’ve made cakes, panacotas and custards with shaving of tonka bean instead of steeped vanilla bean and all those who had them were ecstatic.
 

Bobby Bailey

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My grandfather used to go out every fall and dig up sassafras roots and leave them in the cellar to dry out. All winter he’d throw them in a pot on the stove with some water to steep and there’d be sassafrass tea for anybody who wanted a cup. Years later I read that it is poisonous and was pulled commercially from the US markets in the 60s. He lived to 90. I can’t say if it affected me because I never liked the stuff so I rarely had any.
I still drink it in the winter. I'm going to introduce the grandkids to it.
 
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anotherbob

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My grandfather used to go out every fall and dig up sassafras roots and leave them in the cellar to dry out. All winter he’d throw them in a pot on the stove with some water to steep and there’d be sassafrass tea for anybody who wanted a cup. Years later I read that it is poisonous and was pulled commercially from the US markets in the 60s. He lived to 90. I can’t say if it affected me because I never liked the stuff so I rarely had any.
well pretty much everything is poisonous. Dosage makes a huge difference. You can fatally over dose on vitamins and those are like super good for you too.
 
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pappymac

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Feb 26, 2015
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Saspirila soda drinks were all pulled in the early 70's because they found that the root was actually poisonous. Root beer used to be made from it also, almost the same taste. But now root beer is made from artificial stuff. Isn't it weird how something can be so deadly, yet we never hear of anyone dying from it?
You'd have thought that if root beer and saspirila were so deadly, that with everyone I know back then was drinking it, why didn't anyone get sick?

Tonka bean, now, it kinda explains why I feel sorta weird after smoking it, ha ha. It's usually me making other people feel weird, ha ha.
You speak of Sassafras obviously. My mother and grandmother used to make Sassafras tea and give to us when we were suffering from a cold or flu. We used the ground up leaves (commonly known as Gumbo Filé) as a thickening agent for cooking. And the roots of a Sassafras tree were the main ingredient of root beer until the ban.

Ironically, considering the FDA ban, Sassafras had a multitude of medicinal uses.
 
You speak of Sassafras obviously. My mother and grandmother used to make Sassafras tea and give to us when we were suffering from a cold or flu. We used the ground up leaves (commonly known as Gumbo Filé) as a thickening agent for cooking. And the roots of a Sassafras tree were the main ingredient of root beer until the ban.

Ironically, considering the FDA ban, Sassafras had a multitude of medicinal uses.
I know, right? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

pappymac

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Feb 26, 2015
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If I remember correctly, the Daughters & Ryan version of London Dock used "courmarin flavoring" instead of the deer tongue which was supposedly used in the original version.

I actually enjoyed D&R London Dock and was sorry to see it discontinued.