The Tobaccapolypse Approaches, or Does It?

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brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
10,696
18,320
@doctorthoss: +1 ... well said, I couldn’t agree more with everything you said. The vast majority of people always have, and always will, support the status quo regardless of how much grumbling about it they may or may not do. They support it by how they spend their time and their money (by doing business with the major corporate entities)...they support it by voting for either of the two major parties...they support it by willful ignorance...they support it because of their desire for social acceptance.
All that the “controllers” need do is mold and maneuver the status quo. This is easily accomplished when nearly all of the establishment/institutional “authorities” are locked into the system: the major corporations, the regulatory agencies, the scientific establishment, the churches, the establishment media, the government schools, etc. All just different aspects of the same over-arching social engineering scheme.
On any given issue, the system creates the illusion that all or nearly all of the credible experts are in agreement...so the vast majority of people then accept that verdict, especially if it is a scientific authority making the pronouncement. It is almost never really true that the credible experts all agree with the status quo...it’s just that only the experts who tow the line are promoted by the establishment media. The individual has to make a personal effort to seek out other information, from other experts...and very few ever do.
If the “authorities” say all smoking is bad and all smokers should be penalized, most people will not question it. IMO, at the core of so many of our problems is the dysfunctional, co-dependent relationship between “the people” and “authority”. Stanley Milgram’s experiments shed interesting light on this problem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCVlI-_4GZQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mpAbig8ttY

 

dragonslayer

Lifer
Dec 28, 2012
1,026
10
Pittsburgh
The biggest problem is the RYO. Cigars may get separated, but there's not enough support for pipe tobacco as some blends can be sold as RYO. In fact if the gods smile and we get separated many blends will come on the market as pipe tobacco and be for RYO. That IMO why we won't be separated.
I'm to tired but there's a whole list of things that can happen, and most will probably happen in the next 5 or so years. I'll list them tomorrow, many you may not have thought of...
Craig

 

murf

Can't Leave
Mar 1, 2013
446
1
Six,
I would say half of my "cellar" was by accident. I simply bought more than I could smoke, because I wanted alot of variety. Unfortunately, this happened when I was into aros only. Some of these blends haven't been touched in nearly 3yrs.
Isn't nicotine a naturally occuring chemical in things other than tobacco? I've heard that tomatoes contain nicotine (somewhere on here). Couldn't this throw off a drug test? Good thing my grandfather is 1st gen Italian American. I could eat Italian food every day of the week! And now, I might have to!
Did some math too. It sucks for buying tobacco by the pound ($49.55). And buying a 1.5 lb box of Stokkebye Flake would go from $45.50 (at P&C) to about $107. A 50g tin will go up about $5
I hope these bills fail

 

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
41,211
59,147
I guess because pipe smoking is a pleasure, I tend to think in a positive way about it. There is pressure to close out

tobacco in all its forms, but pipe smokers are a fairly small group, and it would be expensive to forbid the practice in

all its forms and dimensions. Plus, they are going after a lot of older folks who have some means to resist and some

clout to make their wishes felt. Will tobacco taxes go up in an unpleasant way? It's likely. Will they go up to the extent

that I cannot afford to have a daily bowl or two if I'm in the mood? I think that's unlikley. It will be harder for people

who measure their day in bowls of tobacco, but I don't think the habit will disappear.

 

woodsroad

Lifer
Oct 10, 2013
14,449
29,317
SE PA USA
Taxes will go up.

Way up.

Not because of moral outrage, but because moral outrage gives politicians good cover.

The past is prologue.

 

jgriff

Can't Leave
Feb 20, 2013
425
4
I think there is no doubt that Tobaccapolypse is coming. I think there are four likely issues:
1) Taxes will increase on either state and/or federal levels. Outside of a lobby (that doesn't currently exist), pipe tobacco will at least be equalized with cigarettes. You can thank the RYO industry for that one. Ultimately, in the long-term taxes will just increase, they always do. The recent proposals will likely double the cost of most bulk tobaccos. I ran the numbers before on Lane's 1Q before and that was the case.
2) There will be some sort of national internet sales taxes and/or collection of your (likely absurd) state taxes on internet sales. This is probably a 75-90% increase depending on where you live.
3) They may just stop mail-order/internet sales of tobacco. I live in Maryland and I've already witnessed this one. Having to shop exclusively at largely non-existent B&M stores will likely be at least a doubling in price and a huge step backwards in availablity of most brands.
4) The least likely but the biggest impact will be if the FDA gets involved with tobacco as a controlled substance and/or messes around with "artificially flavored" blends (which is pretty much all tobacco in truth). The regulation will add to the cost but will also cull alot of smaller manufacturers who won't be able to keep up on the paperwork/lab testing involved.
Any of these is reason enough to me to cellar wide and cellar deep.

 
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