The Historical Collection of the Hungarian National Museum

[Hillcrest]

In trying to determine what shape is properly and historically a Hungarian I cam across this pipe collection at the Hungarian National Museum and I can safely say I have no pipes that ornate ! There is a 10 pipe slideshow of examples of their collection. Very cool pipes ... if only they made them like that today !

The Smoking Collection

Tobacco was introduced to Europe after the discovery of America. The first data about smoking Turkish ambassadors fascinating the Hungarian aristocracy with their pipes are from the end of 16th century. Through the centuries the habit of smoking became very wide-spread and refined pieces of...

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[jpmcwjr]

Here's one of them. Probably not a clencher...

 

[FurCoat]

Wow, those pipes are works of art. This is my Hungarian. Not nearly as nice.

 

[FurCoat]

Here's one of them. Probably not a clencher...

Put a stem on it and I guarantee @chasingembers can do it while clenching the skull and the cougar.

 

[Duck]

This is what the original looked like. It's a Peterson, he described as a full bent straight billiard. The Boer leader, Oom Paul, bought one, and the shape became known as an Oom Paul. Except in Britain where Oom Paul was reviled, there it became known as a Hungarian. It's just a name, nothing to do with pipes made in Hungary.

 

[kcghost]

The meerschaums they have are awesome!!

 

[warren]

Now, we all can see what truly artistic and detailed meerschaum is all about. The quick and shallow carvings usually seen of today cannot compare. Of course the cost, for most, would be prohibitive today. Today's carving, generally, lack the fine detail. Can such pipes be found today? If you are willing to pay the price.

 

[Hillcrest]

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This is what the original looked like. It's a Peterson, he described as a full bent straight billiard. The Boer leader, Oom Paul, bought one, and the shape became known as an Oom Paul. Except in Britain where Oom Paul was reviled, there it became known as a Hungarian. It's just a name, nothing to do with pipes made in Hungary.

Actually, the English and French never used the name Oom Paul for any of their pipes and continued to use the name Hungarian because of their distaste for him after the Boer War. The Hungarian bents predate the French and English pipe making industries by many (hundreds?) years. The 'western' innovation was rounding out the flats sides to make the bowl cylindrical. Eventually they developed the egg shape as well. Here's a good research paper on it for the Oom Paul Society:

The Odyssey of the Oom Paul: A Hungarian… Really? by Ben Rapaport — OomPaul

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Nowadays the terms seem interchangeable so that almost any bent shape is called an Oom Paul or Hungarian. The original large bowl bents made in Hungary were closer to the Tyrolean flat sided pipes --- more like a vest pocket pipe or Roley shape pipe.

I will refer to my Savinelli 604KS as a Western Hungarian and my Pioneer Meerschaum a Full Bent Egg.

 

[Hillcrest]

Here's one of them. Probably not a clencher...

Yeah but if you could get one like it that would make a statement at the next Pipe club meeting !

 

[Hillcrest]

This one is nice too ! Notice the vents under the cap ? They are similar in design to the vents Cosmicfolklore put under the cap he just made for someone privately; although his were more ornate being waves.

 

[bbqpiper]

In trying to determine what shape is properly and historically a Hungarian I cam across this pipe collection at the Hungarian National Museum and I can safely say I have no pipes that ornate ! There is a 10 pipe slideshow of examples of their collection. Very cool pipes ... if only they made them like that today !

The Smoking Collection

Tobacco was introduced to Europe after the discovery of America. The first data about smoking Turkish ambassadors fascinating the Hungarian aristocracy with their pipes are from the end of 16th century. Through the centuries the habit of smoking became very wide-spread and refined pieces of...

mnm.hu

Such beautiful pipes. The detail is amazing.

 

[Searock Fan]

Interesting and beautiful pipes, but more a work of art than practical smokers.

 

[mikethompson]

Gorgeous carving on those Meers!

Thanks for sharing this @Hillcrest

 

[TheIronMonkey]

Someone needs to contact the curators and see if they'll all pass a pipe cleaner.

 

[AppalachianPipe92]

Some lovely pipes indeed. Thanks for sharing these

 

[jpmcwjr]

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This is what the original looked like. It's a Peterson, he described as a full bent straight billiard. The Boer leader, Oom Paul, bought one, and the shape became known as an Oom Paul. Except in Britain where Oom Paul was reviled, there it became known as a Hungarian. It's just a name, nothing to do with pipes made in Hungary.

Love to see a cite on "Uncle Paulie". There's no proof of him ever owning, much less smoking, the Hungarian Shape.

 

[jpmcwjr]

Actually, the English and French never used the name Oom Paul for any of their pipes and continued to use the name Hungarian because of their distaste for him after the Boer War. The Hungarian bents predate the French and English pipe making industries by many (hundreds?) years. The 'western' innovation was rounding out the flats sides to make the bowl cylindrical. Eventually they developed the egg shape as well. Here's a good research paper on it for the Oom Paul Society:

The Odyssey of the Oom Paul: A Hungarian… Really? by Ben Rapaport — OomPaul

0 0 1 3140 17902 Red Coral Creative 149 41 21001 14.0 Normal 0 false false false EN-US JA X-NONE

oompaul.com

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That monograph is well written, but lacks proof of anything. And of course that society would promote its view on the name.

One might conclude from my posts on this subject going back seven years that I despise the name and the m-f for whom many call that shape.

 

[Hillcrest]

Love to see a cite on "Uncle Paulie". There's no proof of him ever owning, much less smoking, the Hungarian Shape.

Until now ??? A Photgraph speaks 1000 words ? He was gifted a Peterson 02BBB with an engraved Transvaal crest on it at some point but Peterson only referred to it as their House Pipe or Hungarian.
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Peterson Pipe Notes: "
Courtesy Bill Burney


While the origins of the shape, as with so many others, is shrouded in its share of mystery, the name derives from the belief by many that it had its origins with President S. J. “Paulus” Kruger (1825-1904) of South Africa, known as “Uncle Paul” or “Oom Paul” in Dutch (pronounced Ohm Pah-uhl, rhyming with “Ohm’s Law”). There is not only justification for the legend, but it is a well-recorded fact that Kruger not only an oom paul, but a Kapp & Peterson oom paul, as we document in the Peterson book.


In 1898, Kruger’s friends ordered a Peterson Oversized Patent O.2 for his birthday with an engraved crest of the Transvaal on the bowl. While this was merely a special order (and not a gift from K&P), it caused a political publicity storm that was in newspapers around the world, many featuring a photo of the pipe in its clamshell case with its Gratis Pipe Tool and extra stem, no less.

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[jpmcwjr]

Until now ??? A Photgraph speaks 1000 words ? He was gifted a Peterson 02BBB with an engraved Transvaal crest on it at some point but Peterson only referred to it as their House Pipe or Hungarian.
Original :
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Peterson Pipe Notes: "
Courtesy Bill Burnley

That's not a Hungarian (nor Oom Paul) shape, though not far off.

While the origins of the shape, as with so many others, is shrouded in its share of mystery, the name derives from the belief by many that it had its origins with President S. J. “Paulus” Kruger (1825-1904) of South Africa, known as “Uncle Paul” or “Oom Paul” in Dutch (pronounced Ohm Pah-uhl, rhyming with “Ohm’s Law”). There is not only justification for the legend, but it is a well-recorded fact that Kruger not only an oom paul, but a Kapp & Peterson oom paul, as we document in the Peterson book.

"We document"? Is there an image of such other than the one you posted?

In 1898, Kruger’s friends ordered a Peterson Oversized Patent O.2 for his birthday with an engraved crest of the Transvaal on the bowl. While this was merely a special order (and not a gift from K&P), it caused a political publicity storm that was in newspapers around the world, many featuring a photo of the pipe in its clamshell case with its Gratis Pipe Tool and extra stem, no less.

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Granted the pipe above sure looks like the Hungarian shape, no photos of him smoking it have been published, have they? BTW, the photo of him smoking a full bent is the closest anyone has come to show him smoking a Hungarian. Thanks for that.

I really hate a pompous racist being honored with his name on a pipe shape.

 

[TheIronMonkey]

That's not a Hungarian (nor Oom Paul) shape, though not far off.


"We document"? Is there an image of such other than the one you posted?

Granted the pipe above sure looks like the Hungarian shape, no photos of him smoking it have been published, have they? BTW, the photo of him smoking a full bent is the closest anyone has come to show him smoking a Hungarian. Thanks for that.

I really hate a pompous racist being honored with his name on a pipe shape.

A more complete version of this info from Mark Irwin's site.