The Cutting of the Condor Plug
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I was looking at two stores that sell it. I sent a web based email last night to them asking if they shipped to the USA. No response yet. It is the weekend. Unsure about posting the links in open forum.
There is something I read about UK and use of USA credit cards not being accepted. Can someone enlighten me on this?
There is something I read about UK and use of USA credit cards not being accepted. Can someone enlighten me on this?
There is a thread on here somewhere, the shop owner replied saying to email them rather than discuss it on the forum. Not sure which shop it was though.
Seems they do in fact sell Condor in 25g pouches. I thought they were all 50g. The plugs are 25g in all cases I think. Someday I want to try some of the Long Cut Flakes.
Gents,
An extract below from my favourite blender in the UK gives a little insight into Lakeland blends. Not all Lakeland tobaccos are floral, some are spicy and some are rum/whisky or other spirit flavouring. Not all tobacco produced in the English Lake District are "Lakelands", English, Scottish, Irish, aromatics are made there too. Similarly, a Lakeland style tobacco doesn't have to be made in the Lake District. A Lakeland blend essentially describes a tobacco whose topping or casing is made from natural extract as opposed to artificial flavourings.
Flavoured Blends
Due to the UK’s restriction (now lifted) on using most flavourings, these tobaccos are widespread all over the world and like unflavoured tobaccos there are many styles; from the dry Dutch Cavendish, to the floral English Lakeland blends; and all as different as the tobaccos above. Most flavoured blends are referred to as Aromatics and feature (usually) natural fruit and sugar syrup flavourings. These flavourings can be either “cased” (tobaccos are soaked in molasses and pressed) or “top dressed” (flavoured with alcohol extract, sprayed over the tobacco at the end). The sweet and fragrant aromas produced by tobaccos can make heads turn when smoked; fruit flavours fill the room with fruity smells.
Tobaccos such Kentucky, Perique, Latakia and other Orientals are rarely used in aromatics. Due to the nature of the taste of these tobaccos, many of the flavourings are “drowned out” and lost in the final smoke. Burleys and Virginias are the most common, but often made into Cavendish. Cavendish is not a tobacco strain like the others; it’s more a process to ferment the tobacco. The tobaccos are either steamed for a milder smoker or smoked for a stronger taste. Molasses are added to give the Cavendish a sweet taste and a cool, creamy smoke.
The idea that all English blends are unflavoured falls apart here, some flavourings were allowed to be used, not sticky cherry or chocolate flavours, but more floral and spice based. Gawith Hoggarth is the largest producer of these tobaccos and some of the recipes date back over 150 years. Virginia in varying forms from gold to black is used, with the addition of Burley and/or Kentucky to give the tobacco some body. Flavours such as rum, whisky, vanilla, liquorice, maple, honey, geranium, rose and other floral extracts are used. These tobaccos have a unique taste and are not for everyone, but are more common than you would think. Brands such as St Bruno & Condor are, in essence, Lakeland blends. Depending on the volume and specific flavours, Lakeland blends can leave a strong ghosting in your pipe and a dedicated pipe is suggested for all Lakelands.
While these categories are great to identify a tobacco’s style and expected flavours, many blenders do not like to stick to them and they should only be treated as crude guide. Similar to beers and whiskies, the rules are made to be broken and many tobaccos fall into two or even three categories. Some are so hard to classify that heated discussions continue between smokers and manufacturers.
An extract below from my favourite blender in the UK gives a little insight into Lakeland blends. Not all Lakeland tobaccos are floral, some are spicy and some are rum/whisky or other spirit flavouring. Not all tobacco produced in the English Lake District are "Lakelands", English, Scottish, Irish, aromatics are made there too. Similarly, a Lakeland style tobacco doesn't have to be made in the Lake District. A Lakeland blend essentially describes a tobacco whose topping or casing is made from natural extract as opposed to artificial flavourings.
Flavoured Blends
Due to the UK’s restriction (now lifted) on using most flavourings, these tobaccos are widespread all over the world and like unflavoured tobaccos there are many styles; from the dry Dutch Cavendish, to the floral English Lakeland blends; and all as different as the tobaccos above. Most flavoured blends are referred to as Aromatics and feature (usually) natural fruit and sugar syrup flavourings. These flavourings can be either “cased” (tobaccos are soaked in molasses and pressed) or “top dressed” (flavoured with alcohol extract, sprayed over the tobacco at the end). The sweet and fragrant aromas produced by tobaccos can make heads turn when smoked; fruit flavours fill the room with fruity smells.
Tobaccos such Kentucky, Perique, Latakia and other Orientals are rarely used in aromatics. Due to the nature of the taste of these tobaccos, many of the flavourings are “drowned out” and lost in the final smoke. Burleys and Virginias are the most common, but often made into Cavendish. Cavendish is not a tobacco strain like the others; it’s more a process to ferment the tobacco. The tobaccos are either steamed for a milder smoker or smoked for a stronger taste. Molasses are added to give the Cavendish a sweet taste and a cool, creamy smoke.
The idea that all English blends are unflavoured falls apart here, some flavourings were allowed to be used, not sticky cherry or chocolate flavours, but more floral and spice based. Gawith Hoggarth is the largest producer of these tobaccos and some of the recipes date back over 150 years. Virginia in varying forms from gold to black is used, with the addition of Burley and/or Kentucky to give the tobacco some body. Flavours such as rum, whisky, vanilla, liquorice, maple, honey, geranium, rose and other floral extracts are used. These tobaccos have a unique taste and are not for everyone, but are more common than you would think. Brands such as St Bruno & Condor are, in essence, Lakeland blends. Depending on the volume and specific flavours, Lakeland blends can leave a strong ghosting in your pipe and a dedicated pipe is suggested for all Lakelands.
While these categories are great to identify a tobacco’s style and expected flavours, many blenders do not like to stick to them and they should only be treated as crude guide. Similar to beers and whiskies, the rules are made to be broken and many tobaccos fall into two or even three categories. Some are so hard to classify that heated discussions continue between smokers and manufacturers.
I used to be a stickler for terminology or heated discussion involving the application of "lakeland" to any scented UK-made baccy, but have since mellowed simply because I probably seem like an azzhole if I'm always trying to "correct" someone and the term has gained widespread descriptive use and gained popular acceptance, so I just let it slide and don't get my knickers inna twist no more...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_District
...but in my mind, a Lakeland must be made in Cumbria because that's where Kendal is and that's where the lakes are and that's where that specific style developed,here's an old chestnut which goes into some of it:
http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/lakelands-an-attempt-to-understand-the-famous-gawith-scents
Condor is more like Dublinland,
a classic Irish flavor saturation upon strong baccy.
Ireland
is
Plugland:
http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/irish-plug-tobacco-a-pictorial-amp-historical-survey-of-their-far-famed-renown
There are rumors that in England the plugs will soon be delisted, that is Warrior Plug and Mick McQuaid Plug, not sure if Revor Plug will be affected because G.Hoggarth may be able to comply with new packaging regulations, the story goes that the new regs were put in place and short notice was given, STG who makes WP and MMP supposedly decided the hassle wasn't worth it and will not distribute them in England --- this hasn't actually been confirmed by me though...but I think it may be why Glynn Quelch is out of stock:
http://www.gqtobaccos.com/pipe-tobaccos/murrays-warrior-plug/#.VpJVsVKRYpo
Glynn had the best prices by far too,
a shame if the rumors are true and those plugs won't be available anymore.
...anyways,
I get all my plugs from James Fox of Grafton Street,
via their Pipe Divan site:
http://www.pipedivan.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2_85
Amazingly quick shipping and they carry the full range of plugs,and they ship worldwide, including the USA.
They are true blue good guys all the aces top boss supremo!
A bit pricey due to ridiculous tax rates,
but Ireland is the only place to get this stuff.
Thanks for the info Misterlowecase. I totally agree with your point about Lakeland blends only coming from the Lake District. It is a little like calling a Napa Valley sparkling wine "Champagne" although I much prefer the Californian sparkling wines to French Champagne!
Yes, some plugs are being discontinued - Mick McQuaid for one. I spoke to Glynn a couple of weeks ago (I am a member of the Nottingham Pipe Club of which he was a founder) and the situation with Warrior is unclear although it looks like it will be discontinued. As soon as Glynn mentioned this of course, we promptly cleared him out of stock!
I have never been to James Fox but I will now make a point of visiting them later this year.
Thanks again.
Yes, some plugs are being discontinued - Mick McQuaid for one. I spoke to Glynn a couple of weeks ago (I am a member of the Nottingham Pipe Club of which he was a founder) and the situation with Warrior is unclear although it looks like it will be discontinued. As soon as Glynn mentioned this of course, we promptly cleared him out of stock!
I have never been to James Fox but I will now make a point of visiting them later this year.
Thanks again.
Ha Ha,
Best of it is that the NPC meet at a pub called the Lincolnshire Poacher in Nottingham which was about 5 mins walk from Glynn's premises on Sherwood Street. He is just in the process of moving to new premises, though I'm not sure where. Glynn and Ian Hurst (of Samuel Gawith's) are both regular attenders so there is often a good selection of new/old/interesting tobacco's to try.
happy days!
Best of it is that the NPC meet at a pub called the Lincolnshire Poacher in Nottingham which was about 5 mins walk from Glynn's premises on Sherwood Street. He is just in the process of moving to new premises, though I'm not sure where. Glynn and Ian Hurst (of Samuel Gawith's) are both regular attenders so there is often a good selection of new/old/interesting tobacco's to try.
happy days!
Offtopic sidetrack...
BentBob,
The first time I heard the term "jammy bastard" was from a guy I know from West Midlands,
I didn't know iffit wuzza insult orra compliment!
LOL
My question is this,
me, being a Yank, using that term.
Izzit annoying?
Please be honest and frank.
:roll:
Izzit eyeroll city?
Wot if I said Ay up! Wotsupp miduck? Aah ter talk Notts summat fookin saahnd dottied batch-eh!
If I did write that, blindly cribbed from online sources, and only half-knowingly knowing what I was saying,
would it be considered offensive?
Would you be prone to say:
Gerroffahtonnit!
Shurrup, elsal bat ya tab!
:!:
I'm only asking because I sometimes sprinkle British colloquialisms in the junk I write,
and they don't really belong to me,
I didn't earn them.
Just curious if you have any thoughts on the topic?
:?:
Thanks.
BentBob,
The first time I heard the term "jammy bastard" was from a guy I know from West Midlands,
I didn't know iffit wuzza insult orra compliment!
LOL
My question is this,
me, being a Yank, using that term.
Izzit annoying?
Please be honest and frank.
:roll:
Izzit eyeroll city?
Wot if I said Ay up! Wotsupp miduck? Aah ter talk Notts summat fookin saahnd dottied batch-eh!
If I did write that, blindly cribbed from online sources, and only half-knowingly knowing what I was saying,
would it be considered offensive?
Would you be prone to say:
Gerroffahtonnit!
Shurrup, elsal bat ya tab!
:!:
I'm only asking because I sometimes sprinkle British colloquialisms in the junk I write,
and they don't really belong to me,
I didn't earn them.
Just curious if you have any thoughts on the topic?
:?:
Thanks.
Misterlowercase,
Haha. Excellent!
Jammy bastard is a way of expressing jealousy and is usually taken as a compliment, i.e. to someone who has just scored a Charatan Summa Cum Laude from ebay for $10 - "you jammy bastard". Similarly, about someone who walks into a bar with Cameron Diaz on his arm - "the jammy bastard". If someone had a "jammy job" it would be cushy with high pay and little effort. I don't know where the term comes from but probably something to do with jam being a working class reward in the 19th century. It means pretty much the same thing throughout the UK and would be difficult to cause offence by saying it to most people - maybe with the exception of the Royal Family and some of the aristocracy - saying to HRH Prince William on his wedding to Catherine Middleton "You jammy bastard" may have raised an eyebrow or two from Her Majesty although I suspect HRH Prince Philip might have stifled a chuckle.
I cannot see a "yank" using the term being offensive to anyone (certainly not I) except maybe a fellow American?
The Nottinghamshire dialect and colloquialism is a slightly different matter. If written it is usually a constant source of amusement and, in some instances, pride. Bear in mind that the Notts dialect and colloquialism changes even within Nottinghamshire. Those in North Notts speak slightly different from those in South or West Notts, so no one really knows what anyone else is saying anyway. That's probably why visitors to the UK have so much trouble working things out. Not only can't we understand each other, we understate what we say and then add a liberal dose of eccentricity just to make things complicated. This of course, is fully understood by British natives.
Any British accent or dialect SPOKEN by a non native speaker of that area might indeed mean eye roll city, but probably not in written form. A "dee dar" (as Notts people call Yorkshiremen due to their accents!) trying to speak in a "Brummie" dialect would probably end up with a black eye for "taking the piss" (if talking to a Brummie) although no one would know what was said as he would have been virtually unintelligible to ANYONE.
There is an old joke about the Brummie accent:
Q. Did you know that they still speak Latin in Birmingham?
A. 'Ark atim, 'Ark ater, 'Ark atum.
Which translates to "Listen to him, listen to her and listen to them". "Hark" the antiquated word for listen, still being in regular use in daily speech in various parts of the UK.
A great British source of amusement is "tekkin piss aahta ahr sens".
Wot if I said Ay up! Wotsupp miduck? Aah ter talk Notts summat fookin saahnd dottied batch-eh!
If I did write that, blindly cribbed from online sources, and only half-knowingly knowing what I was saying,
would it be considered offensive?
Entirely inoffensive apart from the "dottied batch" (unless said to a good friend). This would be taken as "dotty batch" or "dirty bitch" but again, it would depend on which part of Notts one was in.
Would you be prone to say:
Gerroffahtonnit!
Shurrup, elsal bat ya tab!
Either of the above answers would be acceptable but, depending on inflection, can be either friendly or fighting talk.
One last point, it is perfectly acceptable to insult friends (it is almost expected) but not strangers. If I walked into my local pub and the clientele said "good evening Robert, what would you like to drink" I would instantly know that something was wrong and that "strangers" might be present. If however, I was greeted with "Bob you fat bastard, whatter yer havin, it's your round" I would know that everything is normal and a fine evening will ensue.
Hope this helps!
Haha. Excellent!
Jammy bastard is a way of expressing jealousy and is usually taken as a compliment, i.e. to someone who has just scored a Charatan Summa Cum Laude from ebay for $10 - "you jammy bastard". Similarly, about someone who walks into a bar with Cameron Diaz on his arm - "the jammy bastard". If someone had a "jammy job" it would be cushy with high pay and little effort. I don't know where the term comes from but probably something to do with jam being a working class reward in the 19th century. It means pretty much the same thing throughout the UK and would be difficult to cause offence by saying it to most people - maybe with the exception of the Royal Family and some of the aristocracy - saying to HRH Prince William on his wedding to Catherine Middleton "You jammy bastard" may have raised an eyebrow or two from Her Majesty although I suspect HRH Prince Philip might have stifled a chuckle.
I cannot see a "yank" using the term being offensive to anyone (certainly not I) except maybe a fellow American?
The Nottinghamshire dialect and colloquialism is a slightly different matter. If written it is usually a constant source of amusement and, in some instances, pride. Bear in mind that the Notts dialect and colloquialism changes even within Nottinghamshire. Those in North Notts speak slightly different from those in South or West Notts, so no one really knows what anyone else is saying anyway. That's probably why visitors to the UK have so much trouble working things out. Not only can't we understand each other, we understate what we say and then add a liberal dose of eccentricity just to make things complicated. This of course, is fully understood by British natives.
Any British accent or dialect SPOKEN by a non native speaker of that area might indeed mean eye roll city, but probably not in written form. A "dee dar" (as Notts people call Yorkshiremen due to their accents!) trying to speak in a "Brummie" dialect would probably end up with a black eye for "taking the piss" (if talking to a Brummie) although no one would know what was said as he would have been virtually unintelligible to ANYONE.
There is an old joke about the Brummie accent:
Q. Did you know that they still speak Latin in Birmingham?
A. 'Ark atim, 'Ark ater, 'Ark atum.
Which translates to "Listen to him, listen to her and listen to them". "Hark" the antiquated word for listen, still being in regular use in daily speech in various parts of the UK.
A great British source of amusement is "tekkin piss aahta ahr sens".
Wot if I said Ay up! Wotsupp miduck? Aah ter talk Notts summat fookin saahnd dottied batch-eh!
If I did write that, blindly cribbed from online sources, and only half-knowingly knowing what I was saying,
would it be considered offensive?
Entirely inoffensive apart from the "dottied batch" (unless said to a good friend). This would be taken as "dotty batch" or "dirty bitch" but again, it would depend on which part of Notts one was in.
Would you be prone to say:
Gerroffahtonnit!
Shurrup, elsal bat ya tab!
Either of the above answers would be acceptable but, depending on inflection, can be either friendly or fighting talk.
One last point, it is perfectly acceptable to insult friends (it is almost expected) but not strangers. If I walked into my local pub and the clientele said "good evening Robert, what would you like to drink" I would instantly know that something was wrong and that "strangers" might be present. If however, I was greeted with "Bob you fat bastard, whatter yer havin, it's your round" I would know that everything is normal and a fine evening will ensue.
Hope this helps!
Oh, and one other thing Misterlowercase, I grew up in a small village called Crowland in Lincolnshire. It was a very ancient fenland village and perfectly normal by Lincolnshire standards. The next village along from us was Deeping St Nicholas about four miles away. This was considered a different country. They spoke a different language. We didn't go there.
8O
8O
Bob,
most excellent!
Many thanks for your great response.
I very much enjoyed all the jammy definitions,
good stuff!
Very good points all around.
If I'd said that to you in person, with the incorrect inflection, well then maybe you'd be likely to smash me right in the gob!
I was thinking batch-eh meant crazy/insane, maybe like batshit?
Cribbed from here:
http://mumblingnerd.com/2010/06/23/nottinghamenglish-phrases-in-idiomatic-form/
They didn't indicate any specific N/S/E/W regional applications there though and present it as a more generalized thing, but maybe it's because the guy was an outsider hisself, he sed he'd heard those in the 70's when he moved to Notts, so who knows.
You've explained everything with the utmost clarity,
have you ever considered becoming a linguist?
I like it.
Well,
off I go into the wild yonder to work out-of-state and be dormant here because I don't have sophisticated tech devices due to my nature as a caveman curmudgeon.
Take good care,
and I appreciate all the answers...
Cheers!
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most excellent!
Many thanks for your great response.
I very much enjoyed all the jammy definitions,
good stuff!
haha
Very good points all around.
And therein lies the problem for the non-native!
If I'd said that to you in person, with the incorrect inflection, well then maybe you'd be likely to smash me right in the gob!
I was thinking batch-eh meant crazy/insane, maybe like batshit?
Cribbed from here:
http://mumblingnerd.com/2010/06/23/nottinghamenglish-phrases-in-idiomatic-form/
They didn't indicate any specific N/S/E/W regional applications there though and present it as a more generalized thing, but maybe it's because the guy was an outsider hisself, he sed he'd heard those in the 70's when he moved to Notts, so who knows.
You've explained everything with the utmost clarity,
have you ever considered becoming a linguist?
8) That's cool,
I like it.
Well,
off I go into the wild yonder to work out-of-state and be dormant here because I don't have sophisticated tech devices due to my nature as a caveman curmudgeon.
Take good care,
and I appreciate all the answers...
Cheers!
:
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Good news!
Glynn has been able to re-stock Warrior Plug...
http://www.gqtobaccos.com/pipe-tobaccos/murrays-warrior-plug/#.Vp5OTFKRYpo
To my palate, I noticed a distinct difference between the Irish-market stuff compared to the English-market stuff, it may just be all in my mind, but to me the English-market version is more subtle and less sauced, so I prefer to get it from England.
Very glad that Glynn got some more in!
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Glynn has been able to re-stock Warrior Plug...
http://www.gqtobaccos.com/pipe-tobaccos/murrays-warrior-plug/#.Vp5OTFKRYpo
To my palate, I noticed a distinct difference between the Irish-market stuff compared to the English-market stuff, it may just be all in my mind, but to me the English-market version is more subtle and less sauced, so I prefer to get it from England.
Very glad that Glynn got some more in!
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