THE Chicago Pipe Show — Battle of the Briar, Pt 1

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kcghost

Lifer
May 6, 2011
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I guess we just aren't going to convince most people that these guys didn't make these pipes in one-hours' time. As @georged said "I know they can. I saw it with my own eyes".
 

autumnfog

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Jul 22, 2018
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I'm impressed how they can work and come up with those results under time framed surveillance.
 
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sfduke

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For me, being able to see the shaping process (virtually via YT) in an hour was eye-opening. Speaks for the talent from all three carvers and experience to pull it off under the pressure and in the short time.

FYI, Jeff pre-drilled the blocks prior so the airway better pass a cleaner ;)

I am a big enthusiast of Scottie's work so it was natural to add it to my collection to be smoked and enjoyed. May ask Scottie to autograph the pipe next time.
 
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georged

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I just learned that "bonus points" were awarded for the order of completion. The faster you finished, the more points you received.

Meaning the entire thing was a RACE with a one hour maximum.

Sorry, event organizer(s), but that's just plain stupid for too many reasons to list.
 

snagstangl

Lifer
Jul 1, 2013
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The contest "where everything's made up and the points don't matter" It makes sense as an exhibition of pipe makers working. It looks to me like 1st place lucked out with the best piece of briar.
 

sfduke

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Apr 14, 2012
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I just learned that "bonus points" were awarded for the order of completion. The faster you finished, the more points you received.

Meaning the entire thing was a RACE with a one hour maximum.

Sorry, event organizer(s), but that's just plain stupid for too many reasons to list.
Agreed. This is what Scottie told me as well about the points scoring system used for the event.
 
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alaskanpiper

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I just learned that "bonus points" were awarded for the order of completion. The faster you finished, the more points you received.

Meaning the entire thing was a RACE with a one hour maximum.

Sorry, event organizer(s), but that's just plain stupid for too many reasons to list.
This was less significant than it seems, this category was only worth 5 points IIRC, with the carver receiving either 5, 4, or 3 points based on their finishing position. Out of a total of 30 possible.

And for the record, Jared’s was my favorite, and also won the people’s choice vote (voted on by all pipe show attendees the following day).
 
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georged

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This was less significant than it seems, this category was only worth 5 points IIRC, with the carver receiving either 5, 4, or 3 points based on their finishing position. Out of a total of 30 possible.

Any amount at all---any contest rule or requirement which promoted speed for the sake of it---is fundamentally wrong.

The entire reason for the existence of one-off artisan pipes is the idea that they can be better than factory-produced ones. Better shaping, better fit, better finish, and so on.

How fast a pipe is made is what factories worry about. Stopwatches at every station and a guy with a clipboard are required for a company to compete with other makers of similar grade & quality pipes.

But to apply such a metric to artisan carvers is a contradiction in terms. A sure way to force errors and produce "close is good enough" output.

Doing it for entertainment value like one of those absurd, countdown driven cooking competition TV shows then loses touch with the creative process entirely.
 
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alaskanpiper

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Any amount at all---any contest rule or requirement which promoted speed for the sake of it---is fundamentally wrong.

The entire reason for the existence of one-off artisan pipes is the idea that they can be better than factory-produced ones. Better shaping, better fit, better finish, and so on.

How fast a pipe is made is what factories worry about. Stopwatches at every station and a guy with a clipboard are required for a company to compete with other makers of similar grade & quality pipes.

But to apply such a metric to artisan carvers is a contradiction in terms. A sure way to force errors and produce "close is good enough" output.

Doing it for entertainment value like one of those absurd, countdown driven cooking competition TV shows then loses touch with the creative process entirely.
Well, take it up with Jeff I guess, haha 🤷‍♂️
 

ssjones

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I just learned that "bonus points" were awarded for the order of completion. The faster you finished, the more points you received.

Meaning the entire thing was a RACE with a one hour maximum.

Sorry, event organizer(s), but that's just plain stupid for too many reasons to list.
Agreed, but I guess the organizers get points for trying to be innovative on a new show feature.
 

jalanpipes

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Dec 14, 2012
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Well, take it up with Jeff I guess, haha 🤷‍♂️
I can take that hit. :LOL:

I'm glad you all liked the event and we certainly appreciate all the feedback--positive and negative. We learned a lot by doing it this year.

The objective of the Battle was to demonstrate just how talented these makers are--if they can make these in an hour under pressure, imagine what they can do with a pipe in 8 or 16 hours! Were these 'high-grade' pipes of the first quality? No, of course not. We don't have the time or equipment to do that, not to mention that it would hardly be an 'exciting' event to watch that happen. These were high grade pipemakers challenging themselves to see what they could do in an hour and they were all great! I'm so proud of each one of them, and what they were able to do in the competition to showcase their talents and the glimpse that they offered the public into their worlds. Thanks all for watching and we hope that we can have a chance to do it again next year!
 

trouttimes

Lifer
Nov 26, 2018
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When you look at the event in that light, it makes a great deal more sense. Even if the end results were not up to the makers normal standards, it was very interesting to watch and their comments about the challenges were enlightening. Let’s see it again next year.
 

Papamique

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Mar 11, 2020
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I can take that hit. :LOL:

I'm glad you all liked the event and we certainly appreciate all the feedback--positive and negative. We learned a lot by doing it this year.

The objective of the Battle was to demonstrate just how talented these makers are--if they can make these in an hour under pressure, imagine what they can do with a pipe in 8 or 16 hours! Were these 'high-grade' pipes of the first quality? No, of course not. We don't have the time or equipment to do that, not to mention that it would hardly be an 'exciting' event to watch that happen. These were high grade pipemakers challenging themselves to see what they could do in an hour and they were all great! I'm so proud of each one of them, and what they were able to do in the competition to showcase their talents and the glimpse that they offered the public into their worlds. Thanks all for watching and we hope that we can have a chance to do it again next year!

Thank you so much for your part in putting this together Jeff! I really enjoyed sitting and smoking a pipe in the smoking tent watching this. What an entertaining experience. I am sure that it was no easy feat to pull this off and you all made it look easy and effortless but I know you and Steve and many others put a lot of hard work into this event. Thank you.

Papamique