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J. Martin's Langue de Chien'(Tongue of the Dog)and Vieux Bohan are another Brand names well worth to try,should You have luck of finding them,additionally to these aforementioned two,there are some other Brands of Tabacs de Semois available in Belgium as well,

 

3rdguy

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Have all 3 but only tried the Robin and I really enjoy it. There is a lot of tobacco in one of these bricks! I like that one light and you are good to go. Pack it tight!

 

hakchuma

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Green label. Smoked it and provides enough nicotine to satisfy. Don't care about fancy-pants taste. I've been smoking through a couple pounds of it over a year. Unique? Not really unless your mom does your laundry. Don't care about the other labels as I haven't tried them yet.

 

mso489

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Obviously I have a particular liking for Semois, but to me, it has a richness and balance, along with enough nuance to be interesting. I haven't had the heart to mix it with anything else, but I may. It reminds me a little of Five Brothers, but that is more an old time bedrock burley, comes dry, burns fast, packs some nic, and asks no questions. I'll go seeking its cigar lineage in broader bowl pipes, and am intrigued to know that.

 

ericusrex

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Feb 27, 2015
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The green label is an occasional smoke for me. I do think it has a cigar quality to it. I haven’t opened my Petite Robin yet. One of these days I’ll try hydrating the green and see how it changes.

 
Sep 18, 2015
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The Reserve du Padron is at least a once a week smoke for me, I have a package of the La Bremeuse I need to open soon, still have a couple oz of Cordemey left that’s by far the best.

 

mso489

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Feb 21, 2013
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Cosmic, duly noted in ink on my paper calendar, D&R Two Timer, for future reference. I have read up on that and other D&R blends, and I appreciate the specificity of your suggestion. I knew some one of their blends might be my kind of leaf. It's aways good to have a suggestion in mind when TAD strikes. I can't go way wrong with a good burley. Thanks!

 

bazungu

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There are quite a few Belgian cigar companies, Ashton being the one that comes to mind first. But, I have no idea what the tobacco is called once manufactured. If it is like in the US, the seed stock would be called semois, but the finished product could be called anything. It would taste relatively different once fermented (or socialized). Also, keep in mind that cigars just don't taste the same in a pipe as they do as a cigar. If you cut up a fine Olivia and put it in your pipe, it doesn't taste anything like a cigar. It's just a burley with a little oily fermented taste on the aftertaste.
Interestingly, I believe Belgian was one of the biggest cigar producers (if not the biggest) in the world a couple of decades ago, of course we are talking about machine made short fillers. In the past, quite a lot of tobacco was grown in Belgium, not only in the southern valleys of the Semois, but also up north near the French border (for example: Wervik). Due to a cut in funding to tobacco farmers, I think most of them completely dropped out and just a handful are left and it is probably going to die with them since it is a hard work for barely any profit. But even then, more than 90% of tobacco production in Belgium comes from Wervik, not from the Semois valley. Now about Semois.... in my eyes Semois is actually used as a the strain or cultivar that is used, since in Belgium we can also buy Semois that is not from the Semois valley. A bit like Kentucky I guess.

 

snowyowl

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I have and have tried all three. Given the rarity of shag cut pipe tobacco, I prefer that.

And as has been covered here before, on the Semois subject, because it is so dry and will go up like a brush fire, pack it tight.

It has a unique taste... and is cigar-like.

 

cosmicfolklore

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Yeh, I am not a cigar aficianado by any means. But, in reading about semois when everyone was talking about it for the first time, I did read that it was the largest producers of cigars, and that the leaf was used in production.
I grew some semois this year, and I am looking forward to increasing my crop next year.

 

cosmicfolklore

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Just a thought, but I bet that the semois that we get as pipe tobacco is not fermented and ready to be used as a cigar tobacco. It does have a cigar leaf fragrance, but it lacks the oiliness that feementation (or socialization or color curing) would give to a burley ready to be used in cigar production. It might make a good filler.

 

bazungu

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Paul: I am a pretty young pipe smoker so I am not sure how it used to be back in the day. But most tobacco shops or newspaper stores do have 'Flandria Florina' which is a semois (but I think not grown in the semois valley) topped with tonquin bean. At the tobacco stall on our towns Thursday morning market, they still have quite a few different Semois tobaccos, including Vincent Manil and some other producers as well as Wervik tobacco, most of them do have a pretty fine shag cut which in the past seemed to be the preference for tobacco consumption. I have not tried these except for the Manil. There are not many pipe smokers on the street, and the few ones I see are more likely to smoke macbaren or something. I think people who still smoke semois are mainly people from before world war 2 and most have long been gone(though I am from the North, it could be that in South Belgium it is still consumed more frequently), if not for the recent revival due to that news article, I think it would have been game over. I do have some tobacco left from my great grandfather, and it smells a lot like a burley so I assume it is Semois (Pretty sure it was a bit of the poor mans tobacco). Short filler cigars are still frequently smoked, but most of the time only by somewhat older people as the youth prefers vaping devices.

I do think that semois is used for cigars, recently members of a Dutch forum organised a trip to visit semois producers and I think some of them bought different kind of cigars, also some kind of cigar that you need to put inside of your pipe called ' Bouchons'.

 

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Sorry Hoosier, I had assumed they were Belgian, but maybe one of their premium lines of exotic leaf mixes was handcrafted in Belgium? But, I guess the main company is wherever Fuente is. Maybe, they just have a small shop there? No idea.
Their cigarillos and small cigars are manufactured in Belgium, premium cigars are crafted in Dominican Republic and Nicaragua, by Fuente and Jose Garcia respectively.
Talking about Ashton cigars, I smoked La Aroma de Cuba Mi Amor Reserva to celebrate the birth of my daughter two weeks ago. All I can say is, that was the best Nicaraguan cigar I have smoked so far. Entered to my top 5.
And no pictures of tobacco or cigars so far? Shame on you :nana:
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