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notabene1

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Now, what would this board be without a weekly post lamenting the loss of the good old days? ("I tell you, these kids today…!") But we are talking about a game, right? Rather, the show in the middle of a game. Look, I'm no fan of the over-the-top, breathless spectacles that SuperBowl half-time shows have become. In fact, I'm no fan of the SuperBowl. The only reason my wife and I watch it (and I use the word "watch" loosely) is because it provides us with an excuse to eat a lot of crap we don't usually eat. As for the half-time show, okay, so you didn't like it. Fair enough. But, come on, it was "un-American," and "at odds with traditional values," simply because you didn't like it? That's a bit much, don't you think? To me, the show was quintessentially American: bold, showy, loud, at times even obnoxious, performed by someone who rose up from absolutely nothing to the top of her industry. What's so un-American about that? (All of my red, white and blue jingoistic pride swells just thinking about it.)
And as for your precious "traditional values," I hate to wake you from the powdered-wig fog that you seem to be mired in, but American values have been changing ever since Plymouth Rock. And it's a good thing too. Otherwise we'd all still be bowing and curtsying to english monarchs, African-Americans would still be considered three-fifths of a person, slavery would still be in vogue (with probably it's very own hobbyist website and message board), women wouldn't be allowed to vote, and many of us would be dead already since the average life expectancy back in those glory days of yore was 39.7, with a 12% first year death rate. (Damn those scientists!) But, ah, those were the days, right?
Oh, and one more thing, as for that jazz that some of you enjoy--you know, what some used to call the devil's music--you wouldn't even be aware of it today had it not been for those few brave souls who in the early twentieth century in places like New Orleans, Chicago, and New York had the courage to stand up and say "Screw tradition!" and eased it out of the shadows and into the mainstream. So much for your traditional values.

 
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notabene1, "Imma letchu finish but first I gotta say"...then the bright future of our country are those brought up with the values of Kanye. That is all.

 

hobie1dog

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I saw the clip from it later, as I hate sports and won't watch it on TV, if that's what this generation has to offer for talent, I feel really sorry for them. There are no songs with great melodies...it's as if they have run out of all the good songs, and can't come up with anything new.
On another forum, an Assistant Producer stated that the Choreographers took 100% of the dance moves from Janet Jackson, and another performer(forgot who it was),as they knew that no one would have any memory of it, or care if it had already been done before. :crazy:

 

Perique

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Gone are the days of pride in American culture. American culture is a rural culture, a farming culture, a land owning culture. And nobody wants that anymore. They want suburbs and HOAs and zoning. So this is what we get for entertainment. We let it happen.
Ole Cajun, sir, we are in the minority.

 

lordnoble

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American culture is a rural culture, a farming culture, a land owning culture.

I'm not sure that I agree that is the ONLY definition of American culture. It certainly plays a big part in our culture, but then so does the large city hustle and bustle. The commerce, the fun, the barbecues, the apple picking season, etc. We're so much MORE than just one culture and that's because we excel and assimilating other cultures into our own. I'm descended from a huge melting pot of cultures who each brought a little bit of home with them and it's created MY culture. I'm betting 99.9% of us Americans can claim other cultural traditions as our own. Christmas trees started in Germany. How many of us put them up even though we don't have a lick of German ancestry?
bobpnm: Thanks for the heads up. I'm checking it out on Spotify right now.
-Jason

 

Perique

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Perhaps. But I humbly submit this offering:
"When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe."

Thomas Jefferson

 

notabene1

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old cajun, what can I say? You got me.
captainsousie, after being assaulted by all manner of huckster, charlatan and grifter over the years from both TV and radio, I think our country has proven to be remarkably resilient. I mean, look, if we can survive the King's English stylings of Ted Nugent, then certainly we can survive the mutterings of Kanye West.
sothron, I don't know the source of your quote, but I know there's a chain email out there that's been making the rounds since 2008. It includes the quote you cited, as well as others--most of them conveniently altered or made up to suit the argument. But here's the complete Jefferson quote you referenced. It's from a letter from Jefferson to Madison, dated December 20, 1787:
"I think our governments will remain virtuous for many centuries; as long as they are chiefly agricultural; and this will be as long as there shall be vacant lands in any part of America. When they get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, they will become corrupt as in Europe."
Look, I'm no Jefferson scholar, but I don't think in that quote that the old boy was talking about the risks of us being piled upon one another in large cities. Instead, I think he was addressing the fear of a future where too many governments would be piled upon one another (federal, state, local). In other words, being geographically too close to one another, as in Europe, thus engendering possible corruption. I think he was trying to reassure Madison that as long as there was enough physical space separating all those government entities, buffered by vacant land, then all would be well. Sadly, I don't think he was right, but that's for another discussion.

 

tbradsim1

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To Mr Not , you sir are a intelligent man and a welcome addition to this forum, I only offer this, the 3 most loved commercials for the Super Bowl was #1 the love between man and a horse, #2 the militatry sons and daughters returning home regardless in what vechile that was , and finally #3 Paul Harvey honoring the Farmers of America, fast forward to what is really wrong with America , Pop Culture, do you think the Bouncy Girl can identify with the 3 values that so many Americans identified in the Commericals , NO, Mr Not, please do not take this the wrong way I hope we hear more from you and hope we can make your smokes a pleasure able one. Bradley. AKA. The old cajun

 

Perique

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Not, I stand corrected regarding the full quote. We'll disagree on its interpretation but that's the great thing about a polite forum: we can.
Apologies if any of my posts sound mean-spirited. They are not intended to be. But when one's way of life is under constant attack, one takes it seriously.
Cheers, my friends.

 
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