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btp79

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Jan 27, 2018
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I think it was sable who posted a wile ago something I think about regularly when making purchase decisions "tobacco will never be more available or cheaper than it is right now" or something like that. With that in mind, I have been purchasing in larger quantities than I normally would as well as "staple" type blends that I may not fully appreciate now, but hope to in the future. Worst case scenario, I can trade those blends for the ones I do enjoy. Bottom line on top, this is as cheap as it will ever be.

 

smokingcricket

Starting to Get Obsessed
May 17, 2018
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I agree with btp79.Its not really the bulk buys that hurt,it's the 3 blends that only come tinned.If I wanna try those boom over $30,that's a lb of double down

 
Tinned blends are excellent to cellar away. You run the risk of adding mold spores when jarring. Last night I threw away four pounds of Haddos Delight, with tears in my eyes. I had removed them from the 1lb tin and jarred them up four years ago, and they had turned white with mold.

If I had of just not been a miser, and just have bought the small tins, I would still have four pounds of HD. It was definitely a FML moment.

I have also lost two pounds of Esotericas Blackpool, and about a pound of Virginia Spice from jarring something that should have just been left in the tin (or bag).
At least in the rare occurrence that a tin molds, you can blame someone besides yourself. That was about $400 in tobacco that I had to toss. And, it really sucks. Leave it in the tin, and don't let the couple of extra bucks per tin deter you. Tins take up less space, hold value, and easier to store. Just don't put them in a damp basement, or anywhere they could rust.

 

smokingcricket

Starting to Get Obsessed
May 17, 2018
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Cosmic you just changed the way I cellar.I can also tell my wife you said I had to spend the extra money or lose the leaf.Thanks for taking the heat.

 
May 9, 2018
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Raleigh, NC
That's good to know, cosmic. I have been wanting to stock up on some things that I know won't be around very long. I will just plan to keep everything that comes in tins in the tins for storage, but what if the bulk item in question comes in a bag? I have seen others post that bags are not an ideal storage mechanism, but is that true for the bags a bulk tobacco comes in as well, or are those bags a little more protective of the tobacco? Do they need to be jarred from the bags once bought?

 
Yes, I will still jar bulk things that come in a bag. Unless it is an Esoterica in the mylar bags, but I may just hold off buying any more of those anyways. I hate opening huge amounts of something aged, unless I am going to share it with a group of friends to devour it quickly.
My thoughts are that tins are packed more moist, so in jarring them, you expose them to the elements and store them too wet. In the tin, too wet would have been just fine, with whatever mold inhibitors were in place at the time it was tinned. Re-jarring was just a mistake on my part.

 

smokingcricket

Starting to Get Obsessed
May 17, 2018
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I personally jar everything once opened,but I did read that the bags the leaf is stored in at the factory Will keep it fresh for five years.

 
May 9, 2018
1,687
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Raleigh, NC
Do you think that if you had dried them out just a little, but not too much to keep them at least a little moist, before jarring that they might have stood a better chance? This is my worry, that I might jar something with too much moisture inside that starts a molding process that I obviously don't want.

 
Do you think that if you had dried them out just a little
Maybe, but it is also keeping virgin leaf exposed to the air and contaminants for longer. Why jar something that is already hermetically sealed? It's just not a good idea.
Yeh, I only ever have 5 or 6 tins of vastly different thing open, and I smoke about 12-15 bowls a day. I think that having too many tins open, is just confusing. I have gotten so enamored with a blend that I have devoured whole tins in a single day. But, it's your tobacco, you can do as you please, but keeping a jar that you are continuously opening is Not aging a blend. Some seem to think of this as aging and keeping it in rotation. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

When I do open a tin, I put the tobacco in a tin to make it easier to carry and to let it dry down. Funny how some people do the exact opposite. Carrying a jar around just "feels" stupid to me. I can better fit one of those nice square tins in my jacket pocket, or back pocket. Hauling a jar around just feels... "redneck-ish" to me, and many might even argue that I am a redneck, ha ha. So, there ya go, carrying a jar of tobacco seems too redneckish, even for a redneck farmer in Alabama. :puffy:

 

jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
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Carmel Valley, CA
I have seen others post that bags are not an ideal storage mechanism, but is that true for the bags a bulk tobacco comes in as well, or are those bags a little more protective of the tobacco? Do they need to be jarred from the bags once bought?
For long term (say over 6 months) storage, yes. Many bags used by some tobacconists are pathetically thin. Some are fine, so it depends on the quality of the bag.

 

npod

Lifer
Jun 11, 2017
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Last night I threw away four pounds of Haddos Delight, with tears in my eyes.

Holly Crap! I you were quite anywhere in he world, I'm sure you would have heard Cosmic screaming profanity when this occurred.
But, yes, it's happened to all of us. Cellaring is not fullproof. It's a very calculated and educated gamble.

 

smokingcricket

Starting to Get Obsessed
May 17, 2018
208
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I only smoke at home and load my pipes in the morning.That being said I do have a lot of blends open being I order mostly in bulk.I do however have the habit of opening tins right time I get them.Most days I don't smoke the same blend twice,they all taste so good.But thinking upon what you said maybe im missing out on some of the deeper flavors.I Will not smoke more than 2 blends today.To tell the truth when I did only smoke brown liquorice flake all day that 3rd and 4th bowl was richer.Thanks for the info.Would you mind if I am you a few storage questions if they arise,as long as they are few and far between.

 
May 9, 2018
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Raleigh, NC
I only ever have 5 or 6 tins of vastly different thing open, and I smoke about 12-15 bowls a day.
I reckon I'd probably only keep open 2-3 max, and would likely just smoke only 1 or 2 at a time regularly. I usually only smoke about a bowl a day, over in the evenings or maybe 2 if I get a chance to at the office. So, I'd likely just be keeping my stock pretty well down to tins, unless I find something I can get that I love on a deal for bulk. Like you said:
Why jar something that is already hermetically sealed?
I wouldn't want to, unless it was a broken seal, now that I've learned to just keep it in its tin. The only thing I'd be wanting to jar is something I knew wasn't going to make it once opened, like a 1lb bag or so.
Don't think carrying a jar of tobacco around would be too redneck, but I'd be more concerned about dropping the damn thing and having it bust and lose all my tobacco.

 
Those are some durable jars. As long as the lid is on, you can pop 'em like a fly ball and not break them. They are made to handle pressure very well. But, with the lid off, just a small fall off a table with break them.

Maybe I shouldn't have said redneck. They just aren't practical for toting about. They don't really fit in any of my pockets very well.

 

sablebrush52

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Maybe it's a climate thing, but so far, mold hasn't been much of an issue, and nothing I've jarred so far has developed mold. SoCal has a dry climate. Also, I sterilize all surfaces before I start jarring, so perhaps that helps as well. But mold spores are everywhere, including the factories in which tobacco is blended and tinned.
That's terrible news about the Haddo's, but also interesting since it was tinned by C&D, who have had more issues with mold than any other single maker.
Generally, the canister type tins hold up just fine for decades. I know a couple of long term McClelland heads who are still opening the occasional tin that they bought in the 1970's and '80's with the contents still preserved.
The pressure, or friction, seal tins are more hit or miss, with the square and rectangular tins being worse than the round tins because the seal pressure around the perimeter isn't consistent. Keep in mind that many, if not most, of these tins are very slowly leaking from the get go. They'll mostly do well for 5 or more years, then become more hit or miss over the long haul. So the question of whether ultimately to jar or not depends on how long you plan to age or store your stash. And you can always vacuum seal the jar to slow down aging. Aging changes tobacco blends, but it doesn't always improve them.
Widespread cellaring is a fairly recent phenomenon, maybe the past 20+ years or so. Aging tobaccos for decades is more of a recent thing. In the past long term aging was mostly chance, not a deliberate strategy. Tobaccos were well aged before they made it to the tobacconist's shelves. We just bought a tin or two of what we wanted and didn't worry about amassing a treasure trove. Most of these tins were made to hold up "long enough". They weren't intended to be good for a decade or more, so don't be surprised if you open a tin and occasionally find dried out contents. And if worse comes to worse, you can always rehydrate, though you cannot resurrect.

 
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