Some Nice British Pipes
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Thanks MSO. I am comfortable cleaning up pipes that are less collectible. These kind of intimidate me.
what a haul!
"On the Barling the number on the bottom of the stem is 98046."
from Sablebrushes excellent pipedia page
Pipes made in 1934-5 may have the words "Reg'd Design" on the underside.
Following the granting of the patent in 1935, Barling stems featured the following patent numbers:
• REG'D 98 046 - US patent number - 1936 - 1949 • REG'D 42/8968 - WW2 production - 1942 - 1950 • REG'D 754 068 - WW2 production • Barling Design - 1950 - 1962
"On the Barling the number on the bottom of the stem is 98046."
from Sablebrushes excellent pipedia page
Pipes made in 1934-5 may have the words "Reg'd Design" on the underside.
Following the granting of the patent in 1935, Barling stems featured the following patent numbers:
• REG'D 98 046 - US patent number - 1936 - 1949 • REG'D 42/8968 - WW2 production - 1942 - 1950 • REG'D 754 068 - WW2 production • Barling Design - 1950 - 1962
Sasieni started using Town Names in late 1923. The arrangement of the dots looks correct, with one dot slightly more distant from the other three. Could be a late '20's to pre-WW2 era pipe. It looks to be in great shape.
Based on the nomenclature, the Barling is from the '40's, probably 1947 to 1950. The model numbers indicate a pipe made for the British market. It's interesting because the Reg number on the pipe, 98046, which is the US patent number, granted in May of 1936, was used for a stem design that had originally been registered as 754068 in April of 1930. On some pipes, the same stem design also has 754068 stamped on it. The older Reg Design number expired in 1944, while the later one expired in 1949. And Barling stamped stems of a completely different design with the 98046 patent number and I'm not altogether sure how that worked from a legal standpoint. I own two of these and they are both great smokers.
The Cragmoor is something of a mystery pipe. Some collectors believe it was a second made by Barling, others say it was made by Comoy. It was marketed by Britannia, which is also the name of a line of seconds made by Comoy. Given the nomenclature I suspect the latter option is more likely correct.
Congratulations on the pipes!
Based on the nomenclature, the Barling is from the '40's, probably 1947 to 1950. The model numbers indicate a pipe made for the British market. It's interesting because the Reg number on the pipe, 98046, which is the US patent number, granted in May of 1936, was used for a stem design that had originally been registered as 754068 in April of 1930. On some pipes, the same stem design also has 754068 stamped on it. The older Reg Design number expired in 1944, while the later one expired in 1949. And Barling stamped stems of a completely different design with the 98046 patent number and I'm not altogether sure how that worked from a legal standpoint. I own two of these and they are both great smokers.
The Cragmoor is something of a mystery pipe. Some collectors believe it was a second made by Barling, others say it was made by Comoy. It was marketed by Britannia, which is also the name of a line of seconds made by Comoy. Given the nomenclature I suspect the latter option is more likely correct.
Congratulations on the pipes!
Thank you for the information gentlemen. The numbers on the bottom of the stem are preceded by the REG'D, Paulfg referenced. Sablebrush, the dates you identified line up with this being a relatively new pipe when it went in the box. The Barling has Barling's, arched over the word Make, over Ye Olde Wood, over 1524, with TVF off to the side. The other side of the stem has Made In, over England, with a period after the d in England.
Hi Grouch,
There are a few characteristics of the nomenclature that make it clear to me when this pipe was likely made. The REG's number refers to a REGISTERED DESIGN. Barling would protect its designs, in this case the stem design, from being stolen by others by registering the design. For all intents and purposes this functions like a patent.
In the US it was 98046. One might have expected the UK REG number for this since the four digit model number indicates that the pipes was sold in the British Commonwealth. Pipes made for the US market had a different model numbering system. But as the UK RED'd number had expired in 1944, that leaves the US number.
Then there's the font used in making up the "BARLING"S MAKE" logo. The stamps used changed, with some overlap, throughout the 20th century. Once you can recognize the relationship of a particular logo stamp to a place in time, that's another clue. Your's is a '40's to early '50's logo stamp.
Prior to WW2, Barling rarely stamped either a model number, or TVF (The Very Finest) on any of their pipes. After the War it became common for them to do so.
Ye Olde Wood started out as a grading and was applied to pipes made with wood of a finer figure than average. It also became synonymous with their red stain, but the two are really not related. You will see the YOW stamp on pipes with different colored stain or natural finish. It did remain a step up from their base grading, a nicety that is lost on todays collectors.
MADE IN ENGLAND. is a standard COM stamp for Barling, before and after the War. Sometimes it appears with the period, sometimes without. There's no significance to that.
You didn't mention a size stamp, which would have appeared to the right of the COM stamp, which for this pipe I think would have been EXEL, which stands for Extra Large. There is no significance to the lack of a size stamp in this instance. Barling was consistently inconsistent with their stampings.
Because of the time frame in which this pipe was made, the briar is Algerian.
Your pipe appears to have been very lightly smoked, based on the crispness of the rim and moderate carbon buildup. A little spit with a rag should take that off.
There are a few characteristics of the nomenclature that make it clear to me when this pipe was likely made. The REG's number refers to a REGISTERED DESIGN. Barling would protect its designs, in this case the stem design, from being stolen by others by registering the design. For all intents and purposes this functions like a patent.
In the US it was 98046. One might have expected the UK REG number for this since the four digit model number indicates that the pipes was sold in the British Commonwealth. Pipes made for the US market had a different model numbering system. But as the UK RED'd number had expired in 1944, that leaves the US number.
Then there's the font used in making up the "BARLING"S MAKE" logo. The stamps used changed, with some overlap, throughout the 20th century. Once you can recognize the relationship of a particular logo stamp to a place in time, that's another clue. Your's is a '40's to early '50's logo stamp.
Prior to WW2, Barling rarely stamped either a model number, or TVF (The Very Finest) on any of their pipes. After the War it became common for them to do so.
Ye Olde Wood started out as a grading and was applied to pipes made with wood of a finer figure than average. It also became synonymous with their red stain, but the two are really not related. You will see the YOW stamp on pipes with different colored stain or natural finish. It did remain a step up from their base grading, a nicety that is lost on todays collectors.
MADE IN ENGLAND. is a standard COM stamp for Barling, before and after the War. Sometimes it appears with the period, sometimes without. There's no significance to that.
You didn't mention a size stamp, which would have appeared to the right of the COM stamp, which for this pipe I think would have been EXEL, which stands for Extra Large. There is no significance to the lack of a size stamp in this instance. Barling was consistently inconsistent with their stampings.
Because of the time frame in which this pipe was made, the briar is Algerian.
Your pipe appears to have been very lightly smoked, based on the crispness of the rim and moderate carbon buildup. A little spit with a rag should take that off.
Thank you very much for the detailed information. Your knowledge is a valuable resource and I appreciate your willingness to share with us. Really cool stuff..
Thank you. Some of the pipes you have posted have been inspirational.
I cleaned up a K&P Peterson's Shamrock and a made in London Big Ben today. I am working to get pictures (in focus) taken. One of the Dunhills has a 12 after the word "England" I believe this means it was made in'32. It does say, "patents pending" on it which I am not sure is normal for that date.
I cleaned up a K&P Peterson's Shamrock and a made in London Big Ben today. I am working to get pictures (in focus) taken. One of the Dunhills has a 12 after the word "England" I believe this means it was made in'32. It does say, "patents pending" on it which I am not sure is normal for that date.
I had a chance to take some photos of more of the pipes today. As always I am looking for any insight or observations you may have on these. Thanks for taking the time to look at these.
A group shot of - top to bottom - Wally Frank London, Dunhill, Dunhill, and Peterson's Shamrock. The Wally Frank images are in a different thread.
The tenon on this pipe seems to be made of very thin material.
Can't make out the stamp for the production date on this one
A group shot of - top to bottom - Wally Frank London, Dunhill, Dunhill, and Peterson's Shamrock. The Wally Frank images are in a different thread.
The tenon on this pipe seems to be made of very thin material.
Can't make out the stamp for the production date on this one
I forgot to upload a picture of that first Dunhill. On the bottom of the bowl it has a stamped 9 or 6.
Here are some photos of the Big Ben pipe that was in the lot. There is not a lot of information on this brand on Pipedia. I know from the markings that it was made in London, England. Did Big Ben have their own factory or was it purchased from another maker and stamped for Big Ben?
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It looks like the second Dunhill pipe pictured is of later manufacture than most of the pipes in the box. The seller mentioned that he had put a couple of his own pipes in the box as well. I am thinking that it is from the '60s from the stamping.
The second of the Dunhills is much later, maybe 1972 by the date stamp, it's a little hard to read.
Big Ben seems to have been a popular name. Besides the Dutch manufacturer of Big-Ben pipes, the name appears to have been used in England by A. Grunfeld, Oppenheimer, and Dunhill.
Big Ben seems to have been a popular name. Besides the Dutch manufacturer of Big-Ben pipes, the name appears to have been used in England by A. Grunfeld, Oppenheimer, and Dunhill.
The patent Dunhill is a gem ; the tenon of the cumberland stem is most likely a replacement, since the tenons were brindle too.
Odd ; I never cared much for BigBen pipes, while the Dutch Gubbels plant ( est. 1870 ) is one of the largest ( if not-- ) still in business in Europe .
http://www.gubbelspipes.com/nl/merken/bigben
http://www.gubbelspipes.com/nl/merken/bigben
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