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Oh boy. Yeah, way to derail the thread. While the first paragraph of that article is probably more true than not (it's the brainiest of humans that get carried away with new movements), the rest of the article leaves out a lot of historical context. Such is the nature of too much information on the internet.
It really is amazing how hard it is to find information on the internet today that isn't SEO/Ai drivel. I still remember the heady days back in the late 90s/early 00s when there wasn't a filter on Google, nobody was gaming the algorithms, etc., where a simple keyword search would pull up a treasure trove of odd and interesting websites and forums. Not all would have anything to do with what you thought you were searching for, but some would reveal new information you never realized existed. That fragile flowering of information is now dead and forgotten.
It really is amazing how hard it is to find information on the internet today that isn't SEO/Ai drivel. I still remember the heady days back in the late 90s/early 00s when there wasn't a filter on Google, nobody was gaming the algorithms, etc., where a simple keyword search would pull up a treasure trove of odd and interesting websites and forums. Not all would have anything to do with what you thought you were searching for, but some would reveal new information you never realized existed. That fragile flowering of information is now dead and forgotten.
I am not antiemetic, I have Jewish friends both on here and in my personal life. What you haven’t done is looked into the meddling that the U.S. military offices I quoted did post WW2, what they did was fact and widely reported. The people mentioned in the information were widely criticised for their actions but what they did happened. Is it uncomfortable, yes it is. Silence me if you want but I have only spoken the truth.
No meddling at all. The allies were the victors, the Germans were the conquered. Military governance was required indeed, charged with such duties by their bosses, Truman, Churchill (for a short term and de Gaulle. The Germans were properly subjugated as determined by the winning side. Victors determine the rules not the subjugated.
I'm guessing the German book burners acted with the approval of their Government otherwise it wouldn't have been allowed, would it?
I'm never surprised, in this day and age, when antisemitism rears it's ugly head. Saddened though, when it happens on this site.
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What I find hilarious I've literally had the same people tell me I am wrong when on line and then in person with the same question go look up the answer with google and tell me I was right. Like you're already online you don't have to even get up to ask the computer.
doesn't mean you can't spread propaganda without any bad intent. You being a decent guy or anyone being a decent guy doesn't mean they can't accidentally boast the signal of monsters or propagandists.
Why causing being a person is never going to be as easy as we'd like it to be.
Not debating anything other then you being a decent guy doesn't mean anything more then you being an o.k. guy. Be a useful thing for people to remember on either side of the double edged swords.
I don’t know if you’re a Jew hater or not. I do know that you posted some vile bullshit in a most casual way, then got defensive about it. So maybe it’s just an innocuous failure to be self-aware of your own sorrowful and il-founded attitudes.
I was writing embedded SQL in Access97 years ago, came up against a bug where a function would work only once per session. Went online, asked wtf? Never got any answers. What I did get, sporadically, for the next ten years were emails asking "did you ever find a solution...?"
I DID look into it. Here's what I found.
1. Did William Paley run U.S. “book burning” operations in Germany?
No. This is an invented conspiracy theory.William S. Paley, the head of CBS, did serve in the U.S. Office of War Information (OWI) and later as a psychological operations officer during the Allied occupation.
But he absolutely did not lead any mass book-destruction campaign, nor was he involved in anything resembling what the text claims.
There is zero historical evidence — scholarly, governmental, or archival — supporting this idea.
2. Did Billy Wilder destroy books in Germany?
No.Billy Wilder worked on de-Nazification efforts in the film realm.
In 1945 he directed the documentary "Death Mills" about the concentration camps. He was not involved in book destruction, and no reputable historian has ever described him as such.
3. Claim: “The Third Reich never officially ordered the destruction of any book.”
This is flatly false.Nazi book burnings (May–June 1933) were:
- organized by the German Student Union,
- encouraged and supported by Joseph Goebbels, Minister of Propaganda,
- targeting works by Jews, liberals, socialists, pacifists, and others.
Nazi-supporting institutions also systematically removed banned authors from curriculum and libraries. This was absolutely government-linked, not a “symbolic” independent action.
4. Claim: “No libraries were raided. No bookstores were sacked.”
Again false.Historical documentation shows:
- Libraries and universities removed books by banned authors.
- Bookstores were compelled to cease selling them.
- Publishers of “un-German” works were shut down or coerced.
5. Claim: “Americans banned 34,615 books and destroyed them.”
The numbers are fabricated.After WWII the Allied occupation did:
- Remove Nazi propaganda and militarist material from schools and libraries.
- Collect and sometimes destroy Nazi publications, such as “Mein Kampf,” militarist manuals, or racist textbooks.
The claim that "all textbooks from 1933–1945 were destroyed" is also untrue; many were archived, studied, or replaced.
The numbers like “34,615 titles destroyed” appear only in fringe, Holocaust-denial, antisemitic sources, not in historical scholarship.
6. Claim: “Jews ran the book-destruction operations.”
This is the central antisemitic trope of the piece.There is no evidence for this, and credible historians do not assert it.
It fits the long-running conspiracy narrative of “Jews controlling media,” which is a classic antisemitic fiction dating back to the early 20th century.
7. The final claim: U.S. actions were “a holocaust”
This is simply Holocaust denial rhetoric — an attempt to portray:- Nazis as innocent
- Jews as villains
- Americans as secretly worse
- Nazi book burning as “fake”
What reputable historians actually say
OIC (Office of Information Control) was responsible for:- media licensing,
- removing Nazi propaganda from public circulation,
- promoting democratic press reforms.
Its staff included many backgrounds — Americans, Germans, émigrés, military officers — but there is no historical basis for the idea that Jews “ran” the OIC or destroyed German literature.
The article you quoted distorts scholarly work, quoting selectively and adding fabricated “facts.”
Bottom line
Nothing in that text is historically accurate.It’s part of a genre of antisemitic revisionism that attempts to minimize Nazi crimes and portray Jews as aggressors after WWII.
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