Show off Your Pipe Maker Pipes

[towhee89]

If not Whitehall , I wouldn't be surprised if they came from this firm: National Briar Pipe Co. - Pipedia - https://pipedia.org/wiki/National_Briar_Pipe_Co.

The font on this Biltmore looks similar to our Pipe Makers.


Just me guessing, don't take any of this as fact folks

 

[Briar Lee]

So was the verdict these Pipe Makers may be Whitehalls?

I've seen that red dot logo on many different pipes on the Bay.

Written sources claim they were made by Whitehall.

But Packards were made by Studebaker for a couple of years about the same general time period.

Two things distinguish a Pipe Maker from a Briarlee:

1. Pipe Maker stamping

2. A different shade of paint (?) or whatever the hard finish coat was.

Did Lee sell Whitehall some machines?

Or did Whitehall fill Wally Frank contracts advertising Pipe Maker generics for a 75 cents or a dollar by sub contracting them to Lee?

Neither Lee or Whitehall wanted their brand associated with Pipe Ma

If not Whitehall , I wouldn't be surprised if they came from this firm: National Briar Pipe Co. - Pipedia - https://pipedia.org/wiki/National_Briar_Pipe_Co.

The font on this Biltmore looks similar to our Pipe Makers.


Just me guessing, don't take any of this as fact folks View attachment 387213

This Forecaster small Pear looks like a Pipe Maker which looks like a Briarlee.



Somebody made machines that made dollar pipes, and somebody made metal fitments and stingers to the Briarlee pattern.

It must have been cheaper or maybe easier to use that screw stem than fit push stems.

Maybe there were more pipe makers who made generic dollar pipes.

 

[towhee89]

I dug up some pages from a Kentucky Club catalog (Helme which was owned by Whitehall or affiliated) these Pipe Maker Twin Flow are in the catalog, so that is pretty convincing.

What IS confusing is I always thought BP Jum were made by National Briar Pipe Co and stood for Biltmore Pipes Jumbo, but now I think they also too are Whitehall pipes, because as I said the BP Jum boxes had a Helme address.

If you look at one of the removable bowls in that set it has identical rustication to BP Jum.

The fact an identical looking Boer had a PIPEMAKER stamp is convincing also.

Just food for thought.



From pipedia:

"The history of the Whitehall Pipe Co., Inc. (Richmond Hill, NY), is a complicated one, involving several parent companies and subsidiaries including Whitehall Products, Inc. (Helmetta, NJ), The Bloch Bros. Tobacco Co. (Wheeling, WV), Helme Products, Inc., apparently all subsidiaries of Culbro Corp. (owner also of General Cigar). "

I can say all of those companies were absorbed into Swisher international in the mid 80s.

Im just thinking out loud.

 

[towhee89]

Written sources claim they were made by Whitehall.

But Packards were made by Studebaker for a couple of years about the same general time period.

Two things distinguish a Pipe Maker from a Briarlee:

1. Pipe Maker stamping

2. A different shade of paint (?) or whatever the hard finish coat was.

Did Lee sell Whitehall some machines?

Or did Whitehall fill Wally Frank contracts advertising Pipe Maker generics for a 75 cents or a dollar by sub contracting them to Lee?

Neither Lee or Whitehall wanted their brand associated with Pipe Ma


This Forecaster small Pear looks like a Pipe Maker which looks like a Briarlee.

View attachment 387218

Somebody made machines that made dollar pipes, and somebody made metal fitments and stingers to the Briarlee pattern.

It must have been cheaper or maybe easier to use that screw stem than fit push stems.

Maybe there were more pipe makers who made generic dollar pipes.

Very interesting because pipedia says the Forecaster were made by National Briar Pipe Co.

So now I'm wondering what the connection is between Whitehall and National Briar Pipe Co?

It is sort of like the Jobey Safari shape rabbit hole I've been down. I've seen Weber Wally Frank and Jobey all with the same identical shape , and I am fairly certain they all came out of the Weber NJ factory.

 

[telescopes]

I worked a summer in the Vess bottling company plant near where I lived. They made everything it seemed. Under contract for the big names, they even made some of their products. Products generally attributed to being made by National brands that did their own bottling. I am sure pipes were no different. Generic is as generic does for many products. We will never really know for certain. There are no codes on these pipes.