Allow me to begin by asking to excuse my rant. Wow....I'm from the south, I go to school in the south. Tobacco is HUGE in the south. Now, so are the Nazis. My college has just decided to go "Tobacco-Free" on January 1, even at the football stadiums for visitors! From what I've read so far, it seems it'll be "enforced by the student body and community, and smoking cessation will be recommended to any found using tobacco on the school property" so I'm not sure we can get any real punishment although I would not be surprised if we do somehow. Now, I'm a light, to maybe occasional smoker by most standards. A bowl a week, often less. I do not feel this harms my health any worse than someone who has an occasional drink or something. However, the issue I see is with safety. If a cigarette smoker is staying up to work and their craving kicks in, and they are forced off campus for a smoke and get hurt in the city, what good will come of that? What do you all think?
School Full of Nazis....
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If changing schools is not an option, then you have two choices. Conform to their regulations or continue your life as you see fit.
If you are afraid of getting hurt if you go off campus at night, then that would be enough to change schools IMHO.
If you are afraid of getting hurt if you go off campus at night, then that would be enough to change schools IMHO.
I had a similar out-of-doors-in-the-open-air experience six years ago. My son, an international swimmer then, was training in a municipal (!) outdoor pool in Australia. It was not quite dawn and I had retired from the floodlights about 50 yards away from the pool to enjoy my pipe.
Within 5 minutes someone came to tell me to stop smoking - it was too dark to see the swastika!
Within 5 minutes someone came to tell me to stop smoking - it was too dark to see the swastika!
I think if you have enough smokers you should stage some sort of demonstration. Nothing violent, don't kidnap the president. But make it known you don't want your rights messed with. I am fed up with people, like our Mayor Bloomberg, whose preoccupation is to make policies that they have decided are good for other people. And then they don't follow those policies themselves. We have a lot of busybodies in this country.
I'll never forget my mom standing under a NO SMOKING sign at SeaTac airport with a cigarette in her hand.
She was too short to see the sign that was placed about 8 feet up on a concrete pillar, (or maybe she just didn't give a damn). This was back in the 90's, and all she got were dirty looks. Now, I'd fear for her life.
She was too short to see the sign that was placed about 8 feet up on a concrete pillar, (or maybe she just didn't give a damn). This was back in the 90's, and all she got were dirty looks. Now, I'd fear for her life.
Personally, I am really tired of the current practice of referring to everybody who does something that impinges on one's perceived freedoms as "Nazis". It's insulting to the millions of people who were killed by the real Nazis, and their surviving relations.
True, I don't mean to insult the anti smoking crowd too deeply by comparing them to the political party/ militant group, but that's just a term I've often used and heard. Also, I personally don't smoke for nicotine, just a pipe to relax at times. I'm concerned for people who do however, isn't this putting them in danger? Also, what's the harm in a designated smoking area? It works for Disneyworld! I just think this is a terrible overreaching of school politics into my personal liberty and that of others. College is about experimenting with things, if someone wants to smoke, it's a personal decision, not the institution's!
Now I think about it, I believe shortening it to just "Anti" would be the best idea. I'll stick with that, for the sake of avoiding unintentional insult.
Haha true. Excuse me for that, it's a very common term where I live and I guess I'm somewhat desensitized to it
I dislike people telling me what I can't do.
Don't like smoke? Don't smoke, and stay away from me when I do.
Don't like guns? Don't buy one, and stay away from me when I do.
Don't like abortions? Don't get one.
Don't like people who don't agree with you? Don't go around them, and stay away from me when I do.
In fact, I'd feel better if you just stayed away from me altogether.
I don't like to use the word "Nazi" when "Strident Meddler" will do, whatever the political persuasion.
Don't like smoke? Don't smoke, and stay away from me when I do.
Don't like guns? Don't buy one, and stay away from me when I do.
Don't like abortions? Don't get one.
Don't like people who don't agree with you? Don't go around them, and stay away from me when I do.
In fact, I'd feel better if you just stayed away from me altogether.
I don't like to use the word "Nazi" when "Strident Meddler" will do, whatever the political persuasion.
You are right peckinpahhombre, fascist is a better term but in Italy they did some pretty bad things. Young gamecock has a rant, makes a non-pc comment, IMO should not be vilified. Who can cast the first stone - not I LOL!!
The best no smoking policy I've seen was in China.
There are a lot of "NO smoking" signs issued by the Patriotic Health Front. But it is just for guidance. If you light your pipe, sitting under one of those signs, the waiter immediately supplies you with an ash tray.
They say the Chinese have 2 hands, coz they need one to eat with and one to smoke with. Quite common view to see people sitting in a restaurant eating and smoking at the same time.
There are a lot of "NO smoking" signs issued by the Patriotic Health Front. But it is just for guidance. If you light your pipe, sitting under one of those signs, the waiter immediately supplies you with an ash tray.
They say the Chinese have 2 hands, coz they need one to eat with and one to smoke with. Quite common view to see people sitting in a restaurant eating and smoking at the same time.
"Personally, I am really tired of the current practice of referring to everybody who does something that impinges on one's perceived freedoms as "Nazis". It's insulting to the millions of people who were killed by the real Nazis, and their surviving relations."
While I understand Jud's reasoning and feel that it is a valid point, in it's own way the above statement is an attempt to control gamecocks right to express himself, as shown in his new statement:
"Now I think about it, I believe shortening it to just "Anti" would be the best idea. I'll stick with that, for the sake of avoiding unintentional insult."
Screw unintentional insults - you have a right to express yourself and how you feel without apology. If you don't agree with me- fine, that's your right, but don't expect me to change my opinion.
While I understand Jud's reasoning and feel that it is a valid point, in it's own way the above statement is an attempt to control gamecocks right to express himself, as shown in his new statement:
"Now I think about it, I believe shortening it to just "Anti" would be the best idea. I'll stick with that, for the sake of avoiding unintentional insult."
Screw unintentional insults - you have a right to express yourself and how you feel without apology. If you don't agree with me- fine, that's your right, but don't expect me to change my opinion.
One thing I heard mentioned recently, after running down the amounts at which tobacco is taxed and how much money the state gets from it:
"When tobacco is gone, what will they tax next? Think about it while you fill up your gas tank."
Had never thought about it that way before.
"When tobacco is gone, what will they tax next? Think about it while you fill up your gas tank."
Had never thought about it that way before.
I get your point and lets remember that Nazi Germany and more so Hitler himself hated smoking and wanted it banned from all use. He was not successful. I think what he means or least how I take it is that forcing ones will to another through punishment and threats is without a doubt a form of socialism (Nazis). I for one am not offended. And my grandfather fought the Germans In the Polish Army.
Welcome to the upcoming FOURTH REICH AMERICA. Our freedoms are being taken away everyday, no one cares because they are all caught up in their own lives and being brain sucked by shows that make them lose IQ points at light speed! Like Amish Mafia!
To the thread I don't have to go to school anymore, but work has issued memos about not smoking on their property. But as for now all you get is a verbal warning!
Really? Jud also has the right to express himself, which is all that he actually did. It's not as if he physically reached through the Internet to prevent anyone from typing the word - he simply expressed his opinion of someone else's expression of opinion. That's how discourse works. He also did not engage in ad hominem attack on the person speaking - he focused simply on the use of a word that he found distracted from the original poster's point. Focusing on the action rather than the person is how constructive criticism works. I saw no attempt at control of anything - simply some advice, couched as a personal opinion expressed in a polite manner.
Furthermore, the way this conversation went off the rails is a perfect example of why one might not want to use hyperbole as a rhetorical device (leaving aside the specific term used). It's not about controlling anything - it's about encouraging clarity in communications.
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