Samuel Gawith Tins and LJ Peretti paint cans?

[Groot5225]

Has anybody had any trouble storing SG tins in Mylar bags? Any rusting?

I am worried that in 5 years or so, they would rust and ruin the tobacco.


Also, LJ Peretti paint cans, do you guys jar them, or is the tin suitable for long-term storage?

Thanks!

 

[zenistar]

Never tried this, what does the bag give you in addition to the tin?

 

[Groot5225]

Never tried this, what does the bag give you in addition to the tin?

Samuel Gawith tins are known to fail, and they have changed the tin material making them less reliable than older tins. They’ve always came on forums and said they are not meant for long term storage, but you can only smoke so much tobacco at a time. The Mylar bags are another level of safety similar to a jar when sealed if the tins fail. They will contain the moisture.

 

[oldgeezersmoker]

On one social media site, you tube channel, or whatever, there was a report of some exterior rust on some Esoterica tins that had been stored in Mylar after 2 or 3 years.

I have had SG tins stored about that long intact in Mylar that so far haven’t shown any signs of rust. When I saw a second hand account of the report, I just yawned.

Lots of things can go wrong when you choose to cellar tobacco. To quote Dan Jenkins from his book Baja Oklahoma,

" A man can travel far and wide, all the way from shame to glory, and back again, and he ain't going to find nothing in this world that is dead solid perfect. "

 

[zenistar]

Samuel Gawith tins are known to fail, and they have changed the tin material making them less reliable than older tins. They’ve always came on forums and said they are not meant for long term storage, but you can only smoke so much tobacco at a time. The Mylar bags are another level of safety similar to a jar when sealed if the tins fail. They will contain the moisture.

I had a break from buying anything new, as I switched back to cigars for the last couple of years, so most of my SG tins in my cellar are all pre 2015 with another load that are pre 2018, none of which I’ve had any issues with them popping. I’ve only just started to buy some more and noticed the tins had changed to a silver tin and from what you say I’m now thinking of simply transferring to jars.

 

[Groot5225]

On one social media site, you tube channel, or whatever, there was a report of some exterior rust on some Esoterica tins that had been stored in Mylar after 2 or 3 years.

I have had SG tins stored about that long intact in Mylar that so far haven’t shown any signs of rust. When I saw a second hand account of the report, I just yawned.

Lots of things can go wrong when you choose to cellar tobacco. To quote Dan Jenkins from his book Baja Oklahoma,

" A man can travel far and wide, all the way from shame to glory, and back again, and he ain't going to find nothing in this world that is dead solid perfect. "

Npod101 posted that in Instagram and got me all worked up.

 

[sablebrush52]

Has anybody had any trouble storing SG tins in Mylar bags? Any rusting?

I am worried that in 5 years or so, they would rust and ruin the tobacco.


Also, LJ Peretti paint cans, do you guys jar them, or is the tin suitable for long-term storage?

Thanks!

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I don't Mylar tins. I transfer the contents of tins to Mylar, food storage grade Mylar, or to jars. As for paint cans, by design they are not completely sealed and the contents will dry out over several years. The only exceptions to this were the HU paint cans that came with an extra plastic lid. Those extra lids did retard the drying by a significant amount, though it didn't completely stop it. I periodically rehydrate the HU paint cans that I haven't transferred to Mylar.

 

[coys]

It seems to me that sealing the tin in mylar would give you the best possible environment for storing the tin, but I wonder if the vacuum sealing process of the bag itself would cause the seal to fail.

Whether it were to fail during sealing or on its own over time, these tobaccos are known to be packed quite wet, and it makes sense that if the seal is not intact the moisture would create a very close environment in the mylar and rust would be the inevitable result.

I'd really like to store my SG tobaccos in the tins in perpetuity, because tins are much more convenient for sharing with others, for carrying in the pocket or the pouch, and because the tins are part of the whole experience. But if we're strictly considering preservation of the tobacco there's probably no substitute for the mason jar.

I've taken a middle way and opted for a number of "airtight" plastic containers that I place the tins in and I just check them periodically.

I would like to buy and use immediately one tin at a time as Gawith Hoggarth recommends, but unfortunately the scarcity of the product does not permit this.

 

[HitchensDog]

I had some tins of SG FVF aging in mylar bags. Big mistake, for me anyway. They rusted significantly. I pop the tins now and put the contents in mason jars or food grade mylar bags.

 

[Wet Dottle]

I never had problems with SG tins. Some of the ones I have are over 20 years old and show no signs of rust on the outside. These are FVF and St. James Flake tins. I don't cellar other SG tins.

Similarly, never had a problem with Peretti's paint cans. I put a seal of silicone glue around the lid, just to be sure, but I don't even know if that makes any difference. I don't know the oldest I've ever stored, but it was more than 10 years old for sure. I think I still have some. Will take a look later and post pictures...

 

[camaguey]

I put my sealed tins of SG and others in ziplock bags with very good results.

 

[tobakenist]

Why store tobacco for 5 years, when it leaves the blenders, that is how it should be smoked, leave the lid off for a few hours, that is all I do, I know that a lot of you in the USA love to store it, it doesn't make sense to me, you can't take it through the pearly gates, just smoke it and enjoy it like I have for over 50 years, it seems like it's a American thing.

 

[beezer]

I had several dozen SG tins rust in high quality mylar bags and the few LJ Peretti tins I have I keep in an air-tight storage container and have had no issues. YMMV.

 

[FLDRD]

Why store tobacco for 5 years, when it leaves the blenders, that is how it should be smoked, leave the lid off for a few hours, that is all I do, I know that a lot of you in the USA love to store it, it doesn't make sense to me, you can't take it through the pearly gates, just smoke it and enjoy it like I have for over 50 years, it seems like it's a American thing.

2 words
Price increases

 

[Pipeoff]

I think the tin problems will end soon, the trend now is packing in a Mylar type from blenders. Maybe good news for tin art collectors.

 

[Groot5225]

Why store tobacco for 5 years, when it leaves the blenders, that is how it should be smoked, leave the lid off for a few hours, that is all I do, I know that a lot of you in the USA love to store it, it doesn't make sense to me, you can't take it through the pearly gates, just smoke it and enjoy it like I have for over 50 years, it seems like it's a American thing.

As FLDRD mentioned prices are increasing thanks to politicians. Another part is that it’s just happen unintentionally when you accumulate pounds and pounds of tobacco.

 

[Wet Dottle]

To the OP: well, I went to look for some old tins to show. These first 4 pics all have tins older than 20 years. As you can see, all look like new, storing them in boxes like I explained elsewhere.









Some of the following tins may not be as old, but they are all from before 2010. I tried to pick different types of packaging to show how they all fare.









Finally, here are the Peretti cans, over 20 years old. They are of Somerset Slices, and the bottom one is a pic of it as I am smoking today (sorry, there's only a little left).





As you can see, no problem storing old tins. Good luck.

 

[physiognomy]

I’ve found tins in decent condition generally keep well in a sealed environment. Those with scratches & scuffing have sometimes developed surface rust. I like jars because you can keep an eye on them, but these days transparent Mylar bags are cheap & easy to come by. Can’t see they would be any different. A few examples with some going on 15+ years unscathed.

 

[Peterson314]

My unopened stuff is in the package it came in... with the exception of Captain Black Grape, because that shit was ghosting my closet from inside the cellophane-wrapped pouch. It's now sealed in a Foodsaver bag.

I don't have any tobacco in paint cans, but I have plenty of paint, stains, dyes, finishes, etc. in cans, and some of that is now ancient. I'd put them on par with a jar.

 

[Peterson314]

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This is so inefficiently fantastic. I just may do this.

...and did you turn around your 2007 Penzance?