Samuel Gawith, EU and BREXIT

[Tobacco-Taco]

Hello!

So now that Britain has officially left the EU, I wonder what will happen to all SG blends. I bought a tin of Cabbie's Mixture about a month ago, never tried it yet, but It would be one hell of a sad day if Samuel Gawith stops shipping to EU. I've read a couple of articles about this whole situation and apparently SG wants to focus all their sales in US and China instead of the EU.

So unless they either raise the price to 60 Euros/70 USD, or somehow lower the quality for the EU market, I doubt we'll see anymore samuel gawith, and maybe not even rattray blends, in europe. If this is the case then there is no point in ordering SG directly from Britain. Might as well order from 4noggins USA.

 

[goldenmole]

I have been stocking up for that reason. Several online stores in Germany still had most SG tobacco's in stock as late as last week.

 

[karam]

Hello!

So now that Britain has officially left the EU, I wonder what will happen to all SG blends. I bought a tin of Cabbie's Mixture about a month ago, never tried it yet, but It would be one hell of a sad day if Samuel Gawith stops shipping to EU. I've read a couple of articles about this whole situation and apparently SG wants to focus all their sales in US and China instead of the EU.

So unless they either raise the price to 60 Euros/70 USD, or somehow lower the quality for the EU market, I doubt we'll see anymore samuel gawith, and maybe not even rattray blends, in europe. If this is the case then there is no point in ordering SG directly from Britain. Might as well order from 4noggins USA.

Italian online shops now list SG blends for 30 euros, while it used to be around 15-16 euros per tin. I remember the Danish Pipe Shop either stopping carrying them, or pointing out the fact they may stop carrying them due to the tax raising costs so much it's unlikely to be profitable for them to list them.

As far as I know UK shops don't ship tobacco abroad, apart from 2 which seem like resellers rather than bona fide UK shops.

 

[workman]

Hello!

So now that Britain has officially left the EU, I wonder what will happen to all SG blends. I bought a tin of Cabbie's Mixture about a month ago, never tried it yet, but It would be one hell of a sad day if Samuel Gawith stops shipping to EU. I've read a couple of articles about this whole situation and apparently SG wants to focus all their sales in US and China instead of the EU.

So unless they either raise the price to 60 Euros/70 USD, or somehow lower the quality for the EU market, I doubt we'll see anymore samuel gawith, and maybe not even rattray blends, in europe. If this is the case then there is no point in ordering SG directly from Britain. Might as well order from 4noggins USA.

EU taxes means their price doubles. It's not that they can't export to the EU, it's just that their product has become unsellable.
The Danish Pipe Shop has indeed stopped importing them because of this.
It must be a hard blow for the company. Let's hope it's not a fatal one.

 

[Tobacco-Taco]

EU taxes means their price doubles. It's not that they can't export to the EU, it's just that their product has become unsellable.
The Danish Pipe Shop has indeed stopped importing them because of this.
It must be a hard blow for the company. Let's hope it's not a fatal one.

I wonder though, can't SG establish a factory somewhere in the EU in order to stay in that market? Many non-tobacco companies such as Ford and Coca Cola build factories in other countries. IDK why this wouldn't work for tobacco companies.

 

[gamzultovah]

I wonder though, can't SG establish a factory somewhere in the EU in order to stay in that market? Many non-tobacco companies such as Ford and Coca Cola build factories in other countries. IDK why this wouldn't work for tobacco companies.

Money, manpower, logistics, politics and the will to deal with it all.

 

[Casual]

It must be a hard blow for the company. Let's hope it's not a fatal one.

Right now, demand outstrips supply in large markets like North America. I imagine they can still sell every shred of tobacco they make at their current wholesale prices, just in different markets. Fingers crossed that it’s true.

I wonder though, can't SG establish a factory somewhere in the EU in order to stay in that market? Many non-tobacco companies such as Ford and Coca Cola build factories in other countries.

It’s a mismatch of three orders of magnitude. Ford earns $6,200 for every dollar of revenue that Gawith does. Scale adds options.

 

[greeneyes]

I wonder though, can't SG establish a factory somewhere in the EU in order to stay in that market? Many non-tobacco companies such as Ford and Coca Cola build factories in other countries. IDK why this wouldn't work for tobacco companies.

The opposite may just as well have happened considering recent changes to Samuel Gawith quality. A 'Made in Denmark' designation would merely be an unsurprising formality at this point.

 

[kcghost]

Making a small product in another country is a daunting task. They just have to f**k with it.

 

[sablebrush52]

UK didn't complete trade deals before the deadline, so right now a lot of trade is going to shit. Some UK companies are setting up a offices in the EU as a workaround, but it's still not clear if that will work. Hopefully the trade snafu will work its way out in the coming months. If the UK splits apart with Scotland and Ireland remaining in the EU, availability might change.
However, Greeneyes point about changes in SG quality is an unfortunate reality. The last batch of Cabbies I got from Germany was very disappointing. Same with HU and Rattray's. K&K has jumped on the dark fired switcheroo. Makes me glad I cellared when I did. Seems like everything is getting loaded with cheap dark fired as a substitute for Perique and it's messing with the blends. I'll just stretch out what I have rather than buy this stuff.

 

[frozenchurchwarden]

EU taxes means their price doubles. It's not that they can't export to the EU, it's just that their product has become unsellable.
The Danish Pipe Shop has indeed stopped importing them because of this.
It must be a hard blow for the company. Let's hope it's not a fatal one.

Lakeland blends have been constantly out of stock for years now. They are supply constrained.

 

[pantsBoots]

UK didn't complete trade deals before the deadline, so right now a lot of trade is going to shit. Some UK companies are setting up a offices in the EU as a workaround, but it's still not clear if that will work. Hopefully the trade snafu will work its way out in the coming months. If the UK splits apart with Scotland and Ireland remaining in the EU, availability might change.
However, Greeneyes point about changes in SG quality is an unfortunate reality. The last batch of Cabbies I got from Germany was very disappointing. Same with HU and Rattray's. K&K has jumped on the dark fired switcheroo. Makes me glad I cellared when I did. Seems like everything is getting loaded with cheap dark fired as a substitute for Perique and it's messing with the blends. I'll just stretch out what I have rather than buy this stuff.

Source on Rattray's swapping DFK for Perique?

 

[paulfg]

Hello!

So now that Britain has officially left the EU, I wonder what will happen to all SG blends. I bought a tin of Cabbie's Mixture about a month ago, never tried it yet, but It would be one hell of a sad day if Samuel Gawith stops shipping to EU. I've read a couple of articles about this whole situation and apparently SG wants to focus all their sales in US and China instead of the EU.

So unless they either raise the price to 60 Euros/70 USD, or somehow lower the quality for the EU market, I doubt we'll see anymore samuel gawith, and maybe not even rattray blends, in europe. If this is the case then there is no point in ordering SG directly from Britain. Might as well order from 4noggins USA.

why Rattrays I thought they are produced by Kohlhase, Kopp und Co. a German company

 

[gervais]

Source on Rattray's swapping DFK for Perique?

Yeah I'm not sure what blends are being referred to here

 

[pantsBoots]

Yeah I'm not sure what blends are being referred to here

Recent Brown Clunee tin sure tastes like it has Perique

 

[sablebrush52]

Yeah I'm not sure what blends are being referred to here

Source on Rattray's swapping DFK for Perique?

Yeah, I get info. For obvious reasons I'm not at liberty to say from where.
If the blends taste the same to you and you like them as they now are, enjoy! Trust me, I wish I were you. Sure there's Perique, just less of it, with dark fired increased.

 

[pantsBoots]

Yeah, I get info. For obvious reasons I'm not at liberty to say from where.
If the blends taste the same to you and you like them as they now are, enjoy! Trust me, I wish I were you. Sure there's Perique, just less of it, with dark fired increased.

Understood. Yet again, I may be fortunate to be late to the party. While cigar tobacco quality and availability continues to increase, the same is not true for pipe tobacco.

Could this be expected in any Rattray's blend that includes Perique?

 

[sablebrush52]

Could this be expected in any Rattray's blend that includes Perique?

I have no idea. It's noticeable to me with the recent Marlin flake I smoked. Most of my stash I bought several years ago. I'm just hearing from other pipe smokers now about their noticing a difference in the balance of the blends.
I first became aware that something was up when I smoked some of the HU Directors Cut that I ordered in 2019. It was distinctly off from my 2016 stock and fairly shrieked of dark fired. I got outside corroboration on that one when jiminks made some inquiries. One of my favorite blends, Makhuwa is almost unrecognizable from its earlier incarnation, with the cocoa notes from the Malawi that made it taste like a rich chocolate milkshake nowhere in evidence.
Point is, if you're happy with what you're tasting, who gives a damn if it's different? Only us who imprinted on earlier versions notice the difference. I like a little dark fired, but not in every damned blend I pack.

 

[marconi]

EU taxes means their price doubles. It's not that they can't export to the EU, it's just that their product has become unsellable.
The Danish Pipe Shop has indeed stopped importing them because of this.
It must be a hard blow for the company. Let's hope it's n

EU taxes means their price doubles. It's not that they can't export to the EU, it's just that their product has become unsellable.
The Danish Pipe Shop has indeed stopped importing them because of this.
It must be a hard blow for the company. Let's hope it's not a fatal one.

I looked this up the EU imposes a 70% tax on third country tobacco imports.This is not new this existed before anyone had heard of Brexit.That is why US tobacco is not,and never has been imported into the EU.As the UK is now outside of the EU we can import as much Watch city and Esoterica blends as we like, as if!

 

[oldgeezersmoker]

Yeah, I get info. For obvious reasons I'm not at liberty to say from where.
If the blends taste the same to you and you like them as they now are, enjoy! Trust me, I wish I were you. Sure there's Perique, just less of it, with dark fired increased.

Like @sablebrush52, I too have sources, probably at least a few different ones, and Perique has been reduced or eliminated in many Euro blends.