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Sobrbiker

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A work in progress, its "mostly" a 1979-80 XS6550.View attachment 241480View attachment 241481
I was thinking older trumpet by the brake but I wasn’t going to hazard a because it was on the right side…
About 25yrs ago I was on my CB750 chopper hot ridding through town with a buddy on his XS chopper after watching the flat trackers all night. We both got pulled over separately and walked with warnings because we both told the cops “hell no, we weren’t racing or he woulda never gotten in front of me”
 
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georged

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I don’t know about envied, but admired and respected come to mind.

Indeed.

I mentioned this once before, but in a less-read thread so most people missed it.

Before embarking on doing all manner of cool civilian shit, Mr. Rustie was one of THESE guys.

They are as "for real" as it gets, in every way that's possible to measure:


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I was thinking older trumpet by the brake but I wasn’t going to hazard a because it was on the right side…
About 25yrs ago I was on my CB750 chopper hot ridding through town with a buddy on his XS chopper after watching the flat trackers all night. We both got pulled over separately and walked with warnings because we both told the cops “hell no, we weren’t racing or he woulda never gotten in front of me”
I've had a few Trumpets, 650 & 750 and Ironheads and a couple of shovels. But I've had a boat load of XS650's.

My current daily rider, 1980 XS650
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My wifes 1976 Honda CJ360
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Briar Lee

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What kind of bluing solution are you using? What kind of etching solution are you using? It often takes several rustings to get a set of barrels dark enough to etch and show contrast. Are you boiling your barrels after each rusting?
I bought a commercial potion intended for the purpose, buf I didn’t boil the barrels.

The potion did work. It just came right off kind of like cold blue.
 

Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
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Humansville Missouri
NANNY WARNING ABOUT TWIST OR DAMASCUS BARRELS

Any repeating shotgun with steel barrels has vastly over strength barrels when it left the factory. You can hand it to a six year old and put any factory shell of correct gauge and length and the kid’s fingers and eyes are safe.

But every classic double gun is for consenting adults only, and don’t stand too close, except for a Model 21 Winchester.

If the old double has twist or Damascus barrels it can only be fired with low pressure smokeless or black powder only.

Double guns were made in an era of tough shit, too bad, if they blew up. All of them are about 80 years old, to 130 years old and you are on your own if you get hurt.

They are going to break internal parts. Get to know a real gunsmith and bring money.

They are fun toys but kind of like smoking a pipe. You’ll likely die of old age but there are risks, you know?
 
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NANNY WARNING ABOUT TWIST OR DAMASCUS BARRELS

Any repeating shotgun with steel barrels has vastly over strength barrels when it left the factory. You can hand it to a six year old and put any factory shell of correct gauge and length and the kid’s fingers and eyes are safe.

But every classic double gun is for consenting adults only, and don’t stand too close, except for a Model 21 Winchester.

If the old double has twist or Damascus barrels it can only be fired with low pressure smokeless or black powder only.

Double guns were made in an era of tough shit, too bad, if they blew up. All of them are about 80 years old, to 130 years old and you are on your own if you get hurt.

They are going to break internal parts. Get to know a real gunsmith and bring money.

They are fun toys but kind of like smoking a pipe. You’ll likely die of old age but there are risks, you know?
It’s laminate twist steel and not nitro proofed. It’s also only chambered for 2.5” shells. I have fired it before with 2.5” black powder which is what it is proofed and chambered for and it was fine. The Damascus scare was a ruse by smokeless/nitro powder producers and fluid steel gun manufacturers to get people to abandon their laminate steel shotguns and go buy new ones. The same rules apply to Damascus that apply to any other shotgun. If it’s damaged, don’t shoot it. If it’s not chambered for something don’t shoot it. If it’s not proofed for something don’t shoot it. I wouldn’t shoot modern high pressure shells in this gun any more than I’d shoot slugs out of my Darne SxS. But I digress, I have no need to really shoot this gun, I have other Hammer lock SxS that have fluid steel barrels and are nitro proofed.

But I do agree, if you don’t know what you’re doing or are not familiar with vintage/antique doubles or have a pretty extensive knowledge of ammunition and a broad understanding of chamber pressures it is unwise and unsafe to try to shoot a laminate steel, pattern welded, or Damascus barrel shotgun. Modern ammo produces far greater chamber pressures than black powder and the expansion rate is much faster. It can tear a Damascus barrel to shreds along with the shooters hands and face. Damascus is not inherently unsafe but it is deadly with the wrong ammo.
 
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I bought a commercial potion intended for the purpose, buf I didn’t boil the barrels.

The potion did work. It just came right off kind of like cold blue.
Rust blue requires several applications to get full color, the first few applications produce little color and it typically looks like it’s coming off. Bluing requires boiling, browning does not.
 
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Egg Shen

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Inflation, anyone?

1908 Sears catalog says they cost eleven dollars, new.

(different brand, but design-wise the same gun):


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My grandparents’ house was from the Sears catalogue 1912 or so. $12,000 before they got all fancy and added a covered porch

edit: what is this thread about? Oh yeah, RESPECT to you, I don’t have the courage to take apart a family heirloom and reassemble it.
 
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My grandparents’ house was from the Sears catalogue 1912 or so. $12,000 before they got all fancy and added a covered porch

edit: what is this thread about? Oh yeah, RESPECT to you, I don’t have the courage to take apart a family heirloom and reassemble it.
I’ve always thought it would be cool to live in a Sears catalog house. I’ve been in a few of em, they were very prevalent in the small towns of NE Kansas.