Repressing Tinned Tobacco

[pcfdave]

Hello all, has anyone repressed tinned tobacco to be able to smoke it sooner. Ie. many have suggested including the tin itself on C&D Bijou to sit on it. I was curious if taking it out and pressing it for a month if the process helps achieve a bit the aging process. Maybe I'm entirely off. Any help or insight appreciated!

 

[Chasing Embers]

Hello all, has anyone repressed tinned tobacco to be able to smoke it sooner. Ie. many have suggested including the tin itself on C&D Bijou to sit on it. I was curious if taking it out and pressing it for a month if the process helps achieve a bit the aging process. Maybe I'm entirely off. Any help or insight appreciated!

You want a pasta press.

 

[jeremyreeves]

Hi, @pcfdave . Lots of people, including myself, age tobacco for long periods of time in the tin because the tobacco changes through a kind of fermentation, just sitting in the tin,. Pressing, while a process that will deepen flavors, and increase sweetness, cannot replicate the microbial activity that takes place over long-term aging in an airtight container. Bijou has already been very hard pressed and is comprised primarily of Virginia from 2003 and of Katerini from 2006, yet neither the pressing nor the age of the leaf used results in the kind of effects that can be achieved by aging tobacco in a sealed tin or jar. That said, Bijou is delicious, in my opinion, just as it is, and we do not intend to suggest with our packaging that you have to age it in order to enjoy it. We suggest aging because the blend is comprised of high sugar leaf that will definitely yield incredible results through aging for a decade or more. My recommendation would be to keep the tin you have intact, since it is already on its journey, and buy newer tin to smoke for now. Even a year or two can make a significant aroma difference, but it simply takes time for those impacts to be as significant on the flavor the tobacco offers.

 

[pcfdave]

Yeah I bought a 2020 tin and was prepared to try it out and on the label it said best in 10-15 years and I decided to shelve it again and wait a bit longer. Don't think I've got a 10 year patience factor in me. LOL

 

[didimauw]

That's the guy to ask right there!
Jeremy Reeves
Master blender!

 

[anotherbob]

Hi, @pcfdave . Lots of people, including myself, age tobacco for long periods of time in the tin because the tobacco changes through a kind of fermentation, just sitting in the tin,. Pressing, while a process that will deepen flavors, and increase sweetness, cannot replicate the microbial activity that takes place over long-term aging in an airtight container. Bijou has already been very hard pressed and is comprised primarily of Virginia from 2003 and of Katerini from 2006, yet neither the pressing nor the age of the leaf used results in the kind of effects that can be achieved by aging tobacco in a sealed tin or jar. That said, Bijou is delicious, in my opinion, just as it is, and we do not intend to suggest with our packaging that you have to age it in order to enjoy it. We suggest aging because the blend is comprised of high sugar leaf that will definitely yield incredible results through aging for a decade or more. My recommendation would be to keep the tin you have intact, since it is already on its journey, and buy newer tin to smoke for now. Even a year or two can make a significant aroma difference, but it simply takes time for those impacts to be as significant on the flavor the tobacco offers.

So the cellar series is more these are great but in a few years trust us they'll be wow. Then not ready for smoking just for sale. Nice to know. I was wondering about seersucker and I just don't have the patience to age. So thanks a bunch.

 

[jeremyreeves]

So the cellar series is more these are great but in a few years trust us they'll be wow. Then not ready for smoking just for sale. Nice to know. I was wondering about seersucker and I just don't have the patience to age. So thanks a bunch.

Think of it this way: Solani Silver Flake is good, but if you find

 

[jeremyreeves]

sorry, my internet seems to have failed in the middle of my thought. Here is what I was trying to say:

Solani Silver Flake is good, but if you find a 15 year old tin of it, "wow! So special! Surper delicious!"
Well that is the idea behind the Cellar Series. Good tobacco, blended with high quality ingredients, but with a specific thought given to how the blend will age over time and how long the "legs" of a certain blend are.

 

[pcfdave]

15 years....man I'm 50 but 65 seems like an eternity from now. Lol. Seems like there should exist some algorithm that is cost/benefits on spending more now on some aged stuff on the trade market so you can enjoy it while you can...Buy in bulk when you are young but buy the ready to go stuff when you're older and have the means while less years to enjoy it. Too depressing?....grin

 

[verporchting]

Help, help, I’m being repressed.

Now we see the violence inherent in the system.

 

[olkofri]

Oh, it's RE-pressing, as in pressing again. Why, I thought tobacco was being cancelled.

 

[anotherbob]

15 years....man I'm 50 but 65 seems like an eternity from now. Lol. Seems like there should exist some algorithm that is cost/benefits on spending more now on some aged stuff on the trade market so you can enjoy it while you can...Buy in bulk when you are young but buy the ready to go stuff when you're older and have the means while less years to enjoy it. Too depressing?....grin

it's the kind of thing you get when you already have a big cellar. Well the kind of thing you get to age when you have a big cellar.

sorry, my internet seems to have failed in the middle of my thought. Here is what I was trying to say:

Solani Silver Flake is good, but if you find a 15 year old tin of it, "wow! So special! Surper delicious!"
Well that is the idea behind the Cellar Series. Good tobacco, blended with high quality ingredients, but with a specific thought given to how the blend will age over time and how long the "legs" of a certain blend are.

makes sense. I am not too into aging stuff. I enjoy tobacco and it's nuances but don't consider myself a connoisseur or super patient either. I like smoking and the taste is kind the secondary level of enjoyment.

 

[karam]

I have pressed tinned tobacco before, as well as stoved. Sometimes the results were better than the manufacturer’s for my taste. Most the time they were not

 

[Singularis]

Hi, @pcfdave . Lots of people, including myself, age tobacco for long periods of time in the tin because the tobacco changes through a kind of fermentation, just sitting in the tin,. Pressing, while a process that will deepen flavors, and increase sweetness, cannot replicate the microbial activity that takes place over long-term aging in an airtight container. Bijou has already been very hard pressed and is comprised primarily of Virginia from 2003 and of Katerini from 2006, yet neither the pressing nor the age of the leaf used results in the kind of effects that can be achieved by aging tobacco in a sealed tin or jar. That said, Bijou is delicious, in my opinion, just as it is, and we do not intend to suggest with our packaging that you have to age it in order to enjoy it. We suggest aging because the blend is comprised of high sugar leaf that will definitely yield incredible results through aging for a decade or more. My recommendation would be to keep the tin you have intact, since it is already on its journey, and buy newer tin to smoke for now. Even a year or two can make a significant aroma difference, but it simply takes time for those impacts to be as significant on the flavor the tobacco offers.

Hey, this is great info to have, from the MAN himself!

I have a tin of Bijou (yes, just ONE ) and I've been wondering how seriously to follow the aging guidance when the tobaccos are now as old as 18 years (plus, mine was packaged and dated Jan 2019). So, maybe now is the right time to buy a couple more tins to try right away?

 

[jeremyreeves]

Hey, this is great info to have, from the MAN himself!

I have a tin of Bijou (yes, just ONE ) and I've been wondering how seriously to follow the aging guidance when the tobaccos are now as old as 18 years (plus, mine was packaged and dated Jan 2019). So, maybe now is the right time to buy a couple more tins to try right away?

That sounds like a good move to me! If you are nearly at the 3 year mark on your existing tin, pick up a freshie to smoke now and see what to compare the aged tin to! In general, if I buy a tin of something, I try to pick up two. One for the cellar and one to smoke now. If I like the blend, then I will buy more for the cellar, and that way I can appreciate what has taken place in the tin over time I have let it sit, whether it's a few months, a year or a decade or more.

 

[hoosierpipeguy]

I've got around 25 tins of Bijou cellared. It is very good fresh but I can see how it will be divine with lots of age. Will add to the cellar in that blend moving forward.

 

[shanez]

Seems like there should exist some algorithm that is cost/benefits on spending more now on some aged stuff on the trade market so you can enjoy it while you can

Algorithm #1: If you don't like it fresh, you're not going to like it aged.

 

[Misanthrope]

I never repress. I like my tobacco loose and uninhibited, because it's more exciting that way.

 

[BeardedBriar78]

Hi, @pcfdave . Lots of people, including myself, age tobacco for long periods of time in the tin because the tobacco changes through a kind of fermentation, just sitting in the tin,. Pressing, while a process that will deepen flavors, and increase sweetness, cannot replicate the microbial activity that takes place over long-term aging in an airtight container. Bijou has already been very hard pressed and is comprised primarily of Virginia from 2003 and of Katerini from 2006, yet neither the pressing nor the age of the leaf used results in the kind of effects that can be achieved by aging tobacco in a sealed tin or jar. That said, Bijou is delicious, in my opinion, just as it is, and we do not intend to suggest with our packaging that you have to age it in order to enjoy it. We suggest aging because the blend is comprised of high sugar leaf that will definitely yield incredible results through aging for a decade or more. My recommendation would be to keep the tin you have intact, since it is already on its journey, and buy newer tin to smoke for now. Even a year or two can make a significant aroma difference, but it simply takes time for those impacts to be as significant on the flavor the tobacco offers.

I’m very glad for this information. I bought my first tin a few weeks ago and was confused as to when the best time to smoke it would be. So the suggested ideal time would be 10-15 years from purchase date? I guess I have more Bijou to buy.

 

[mso489]

I take Jeremy's point that pressing tobacco blends and aging are two different processes. I'm no pro at all, but it would seem that the pressure melds flavors whereas the aging allows fermentation to enhance the flavor in a different way. I call all of my home concoctions "mixes," not blends, because I just put them in a bowl and stir them together, and aging is not planned and is just incidental. Whereas the pros may use pressure, ovens, as well as aging to tune their blends. Also, they often pay strict attention to proportions. I only stir in equal parts of this and that, and a big pinch of the other.