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sablebrush52

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He had a very large collection of Enrico Caruso records (78rpm) bound in leather albums. When I was a teenager I took the time to catalog each and every one of them with every detail. Regretfully, they were all lost in a flood and at times I wonder what they would be worth in today’s market.
Not much, I'm afraid. Caruso was the first great recording star and many, many copies were pressed. There is no shortage of original 78 RPM recordings in circulation. Plus, everything has been remastered onto CD.
I ended up giving away most of my classical 78 collection, though I did keep most of my Caruso sides for sentimental reasons.

 
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I know you said you didn't want any vocals, but a lot of the pieces you like come from his operas The Ring Cycle. You may want to give opera another chance...it is what started the symphony.

 

tuold

Lifer
Oct 15, 2013
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Beaverton,Oregon
“I have seen and greatly enjoyed the first act of everything Wagner created, but the effect on me has always been so powerful that one act was quite sufficient; after two acts I have gone away physically exhausted.”
—Mark Twain
"Richard Wagner’s music is “better than it sounds."
-Edgar Wilson

 

phil67

Lifer
Dec 14, 2013
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Not much, I'm afraid. Caruso was the first great recording star and many, many copies were pressed. There is no shortage of original 78 RPM recordings in circulation. Plus, everything has been remastered onto CD.
I ended up giving away most of my classical 78 collection, though I did keep most of my Caruso sides for sentimental reasons.
Good to know. It's nothing that bothers me all that much, but just something that occasionally comes to mind. Then again, there is also the sentimental value.

 

jbbaldwin

Part of the Furniture Now
Aug 1, 2012
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However, he just does not hold a candle to Beethoven.
Wagner might have agreed with you: according to one story, "Beethoven" was his last word. Wagner transcribed Beethoven's ninth symphony for piano and his own Symphony in C sounds remarkably like Beethoven.
My basic recommendation for Wagner's music is to avoid it.
YMMV, as they say. I can't go a week without some Wagner. Smoke what you like...
I second the recommendation for The Ring Without Words if you insist on purely orchestral music.
However, I think the best thing you can do is watch the music dramas themselves, and not just listen to them. Wagner's genius can best be understood by seeing the play as well as listening to it.

 

planetary

Starting to Get Obsessed
Jul 4, 2012
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SF Bay Area
Agree with many recommendations above.
If anyone would like a better handle on appreciating music:
(1) Specifically about the Ring cycle: check out Deryck Cooke's Introduction to Der Ring Des Nibelungen, which is a spoken word + musical interpretation. Quite enjoyable.
(2) For general classical, I recommend the BBC audio series Discovering Music, in which someone who knows their stuff explains what's interesting and breaks down a different piece each week. The last year or so of material is available through the web site, and it's fantastic.

 

andrew

Lifer
Feb 13, 2013
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Winnipeg, Canada
If you want some truly magnificent Classical music, I suggest this, definitely in my top ten pieces of all time, and not because it was Stalin's favorite composer either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7Xy_QXSskw
Sir Edward Elgin, this gives me goosebumps. Also Randy Savages ring entrance music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bymfltL0y_0
Bach, the Goldberg Variations played by Glenn Gould, my parents bought this album for me in 5th grade, way before it was popularized in the silence of the lambs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2YMSt3yfko
Vivaldi- 4 seasons

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRxofEmo3HA
Canon in D-Pachabal, I played this in a piano concert, not this long of course

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVn2YGvIv0w
Beethovan moonlight sonata

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWmj1bMR4Mo
Those are some must have's in my opinion. My cat was just hit by a car, I'm in a gloomy mood. He's dead.

 

tuold

Lifer
Oct 15, 2013
2,133
172
Beaverton,Oregon
I'm very sorry to hear about your cat. I had one years ago that was a constant companion. He would stay up with me late at night after everyone else went to bed while I did my music composition. After he died I wrote a musical tribute to him.
Now I've got two more who are not so musically inclined but one seems to enjoy watching me smoke my pipe.
Think about adopting another cat after awhile.
Mike

 

escioe

Part of the Furniture Now
Oct 31, 2013
702
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I'm going to go against the current here and say that I love Wagner, so much so that if I could spend the rest of my life with only one piece of music, it would be Parsifal. I'm a huge Beethoven fan, and I like Brahms and Vaughn Williams and Delius and Schoenberg and R Strauss and Stravinsky, but for me, it's Wagner who is god-tier with Parsifal, Tristan, Meistersingers, and to a lesser extent, the Ring.
You can go a few ways when getting into Wagner. A good recommendation on the orchestral route is Georg Solti conducting Vienna on a disc called Orchestral Favorites, which includes most of the preludes and overtures, plus the Siegfried Idyll. Another way would be to just jump in and get a good recording of an opera. Tannhauser and Lohengrin are easy to start with, but if you want to see what makes Wagner special, I'd suggest Parsifal and Tristan. I like historic recordings from the Bayreuth festival, since the place sounds a little different than other halls. My favorites are Hans Knappertsbusch's 1962 Parsifal and Karl Bohm's 1967 Tristan. I think the 60s were a golden era, with a great batch of singers getting a little older, but with the introduction of stereo sound. Tristan is probably a little more accessible to start.
I also recommend reading about Wagner if you really want to get it. My two favorite authors are Ernest Newman, who wrote a definitive guide called The Wagner Operas, and this Canuck named M Owen Lee, who wrote this nice, handy guide to the Ring called Turning the Sky Round. G B Shaw also wrote a controversial book way back when on the Ring as an anticapitalist allegory called The Perfect Wagnerite that I like a good deal.
As far as the man himself goes: I think he gets a worse reputation than he deserves. It's not his fault that Hitler liked a few of his operas. Keep in mind that several of the operas could not be performed during the Third Reich because of philosophical differences. I'm not going to argue he was a good man, but I also don't really give a shit. Like most artists, the best part of himself went into his art, and that's what endures and what matters to me.

 

brudnic1

Starting to Get Obsessed
May 13, 2012
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Get the Furtwangler conducted Ring on EMI. Probably the greatest ever recorded.

 

andrew

Lifer
Feb 13, 2013
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595
Winnipeg, Canada
Think about adopting another cat after awhile.
Mike
Thanks Mike, we did adopt another cat, her name is Faith, she's a sweetheart. Right from the get-go she got along with our dog which was strange, as usually it takes a good week of the cat hiding out before that happens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJNNJTRD1GQ

 

escioe

Part of the Furniture Now
Oct 31, 2013
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Get the Furtwangler conducted Ring on EMI. Probably the greatest ever recorded.
That's a swell one for sure. And one of my favorite conductors, though I think he excels at Beethoven more than Wagner.
I like the Clemens Krauss 1953 set from Bayreuth. I also like Bohm's 1966 set from Bayreuth, which has the advantage of being in stereo, and is also a good deal livelier than Furtwangler and Knappertsbusch and Krauss and Solti sets.

 
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