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sparroa

Lifer
Dec 8, 2010
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Wessex Burley Slice is my favourite, but MacBaren is a nice addition to my rotation.
I have been fairly indifferent to Prince Albert and Half & Half so I probably would feel the same about Carter Hall.
Even though they are fairly dissimilar from CH, you owe it to yourself to try WBS some day if you enjoy burley in any form - just in case something clicks and you find a love for those rich flavourful flakes.

 

lawdawg

Lifer
Aug 25, 2016
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If CH is your favourite, you own it to yourself to try Uhle's Blend 00. HH Burley Flake rocks but it is very different from CH, being more like wessex burley slices or solani ABF (all of which are smashing burley flakes) but not like carter hall.
After reading the Uhle's Blend 00 review on tobaccoreviews.com I'm ready to order some. I will give them a call.
I haven't smoked Carter Hall so I can't say if it is comparable in any way but (to my Virginia-loving tastes) MacBaren HH Burley Flake is the best readily available burley blend on the market today...
I personally look forward to trying Lane Ready Rubbed eventually so let us know what you think of those three when they arrive!
PS It would have been excellent if they came up with an authentic Edgeworth Slices clone since I enjoy flakes most of all...
Will do. My understanding after reading up on the Lane Ready Rubbed is that Lane blended it for Edgeworth, and later acquired the legal rights, then re-started the blend after it was off the market for some time. Essentially, Lane Ready Rubbed is the original Edgeworth. Maybe you already know that and would like a "slices" version.
Wessex Burley Slice is my favourite, but MacBaren is a nice addition to my rotation.
I have been fairly indifferent to Prince Albert and Half & Half so I probably would feel the same about Carter Hall.
Even though they are fairly dissimilar from CH, you owe it to yourself to try WBS some day if you enjoy burley in any form - just in case something clicks and you find a love for those rich flavourful flakes.
WBS is on the list. Appears to be hard to get, as some other posters mentioned. I agree that Prince Albert and Half and Half are essentially okay OTC blends, but Carter Hall has something special going for it, at least to my taste.

 

sparroa

Lifer
Dec 8, 2010
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Yes, I know Lane Ready Rubbed is a reinterpretation of the original Edgeworth blend. I still see empty tins of the old stuff in local junk/antique shops. I definitely think the Slices would be an excellent option, though! I just like the versatility...
Wessex shows up every few months but you need to be very attentive to snatch a few tins. I got 5 earlier this spring but I haven't seen it since. I heard a shipment hit a few days ago but I haven't been searching...
Burley is a small but integral piece of my puzzle. I keep shopping for a long-term supply but I really only smoke a small amount. Still, it is very enjoyable when I seek it out! C&D burleys haven't really appealed to me but there are obviously people on this forum who feel the opposite way. You can't go wrong with sampling a wide variety of tobaccos but hopefully someone here can steer you onto the right direction to save a bit of time...

 

davidy97

Starting to Get Obsessed
Jan 20, 2017
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Peter Stokkebye 41 Cube Cut
the new Macbaren HH burley flake
Solani aged burley flake.

 

sittingbear

Part of the Furniture Now
Jul 20, 2015
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Another great Uhle's Burley Blend is #300. It's got a light honey/graham cracker topping, and it's delicious. It's one of their oldest blends, and an all time favorite of mine!

 

jaytex1969

Lifer
Jun 6, 2017
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A simple blend that is not much discussed is Gawith & Hoggarth's North Star.
It won't bowl you over with exotic flavors, but if you like CH, you may appreciate it.
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lawdawg

Lifer
Aug 25, 2016
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Update: Of the many blends listed above that I would like to try, so far, I have ordered Hearth & Home Chatham Manor, Mac Baren HH Burley Flake, and Lane Limited Ready Rubbed (Edgeworth). I have been smoking Chatham Manor and HH Burley Flake over the weekend. The Ready Rubbed is still on its way in the mail, and should arrive tomorrow. Here are my thoughts so far:
CHATHAM MANOR
This is Russ Ouelette's Carter Hall match. I've smoked about ten bowls of it, all out of corn cobs. I started with a brand new unsmoked cob. Like most of the reviewers at tobaccoreview.com, I do not think it's a very close match to Carter Hall, but that Chatham Manor is an excellent blend on its own merits. It's a very good lightly-topped "codger burley" and burns every bit as easily as Carter Hall, even while retaining moisture straight from the tub with no drying. I smoked it slow, and I smoked it hot to see how it would act. I got no bite whatsoever, and none of the cigarette-like propylene glycol taste that can be found in Carter Hall and other similar OTC blends.
Also like many tobaccoreviews.com reviewers, I taste quite a bit of chocolate / cocoa flavor, despite the fact that Russ has said the blend does not contain any chocolate or cocoa topping. In addition to chocolate, I'm getting a good amount of molasses and some occasional whiskey notes. While smoking my first bowl, I was disappointed at the strength of the chocolate / cocoa note. However, after knowing what to expect out of the blend, I quickly came to enjoy it. The lady of the house (my girlfriend / future wife) suggested that if I combined a bowl of Chatham Manor with a glass of bourbon, it would be like a "bourbon ball" which she knows I really like. I poured myself a glass of bourbon, and found Chatham Manor to be an excellent smoke to accompany it.
All in all, I really like Chatham Manor, but I am undecided at this point as to whether I will order more, though I have no doubts that I will smoke the entire 14 oz tub. I intend to put it into mason jars to avoid excessive drying. If the chocolate / cocoa notes were reduced in prominence, and the molasses and whiskey notes were made more prominent, then I would certainly be ordering a couple more tubs in my next TAD order.
MAC BAREN HH BURLEY FLAKE
My pipe for this blend was a brand new unsmoked corn cob. I've smoked about five bowls so far. I found HH Burley Flake to also be a very good tobacco. I tasted no topping whatsoever, and it was very instructive as a demonstration of what an untopped, uncased burley flake tastes like. This blend, according to the tin, includes some Virginia and some dark-fired. I could not taste the Virginia notes, so I am guessing the Virginia is essentially a condiment in this flake. The flavor was very woodsy, and had almost a hint of a cigar leaf taste. I could imagine that if I traveled in time back to the mid 1800's and found the very best burley blends that farmers were smoking out of their homemade corncob pipes, HH Burley Flake might be one that I would come across. I rubbed the flakes out, and let them dry for about 30 minutes before packing. It burned very easily with no bite.
All of that being said, for the taste of pure tobacco without any detectable toppings, casings, or wood-fired (latakia) notes, I prefer a good Virginia flake (which is something else I'm experimenting with, and a topic for another post). As such, I will probably not order more HH Burley Flake, though I can recommend it as a very good "straight tobacco" tasting blend, and one that I am happy to have tried to gain a fuller understanding of burley.
LANE LIMITED READY RUBBED
This one is on its way, and I am really looking forward to trying it.

 

lawdawg

Lifer
Aug 25, 2016
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Update: Got my Lane Ready Rubbed (Edgeworth) in the mail today, left work a few minutes early, and have continued my codger quest by smoking two bowls of Ready Rubbed, and one of Chatham Manor. I don't know if it's just my taste buds today, or if the CM tub being opened for almost a week has slightly changed its flavor profile, or if my new cob (which I've only smoked CM in) is now broken in, but the whiskey note has become much more apparent. I like CM and plan to keep some on hand, though it is not exactly the tobacco-forward burley blend I'm looking for.
Additionally, after smoking Ready Rubbed, Mac Baren HH Burley Flake, and smoking more Virginia flakes lately (Dunhill Flake, Christmas Cheer, and Orlik's Golden Sliced), I am coming to the conclusion that Carter Hall is more heavily topped / cased than I had thought, and that is likely a good part of the reason I have found myself on a search to try other blends in the genre. Now on to the first impressions of Ready Rubbed:
LANE LIMITED READY RUBBED
I opened the 1.5 oz Ready Rubbed pouch to discover a surprisingly fruity aroma. It reminded me of raisins or figs, similar to the 2016 Christmas Cheer I've been smoking, although the dark fruit aroma was not nearly as prominent in the Ready Rubbed as in the Christmas Cheer. I believe that Ready Rubbed might contain some Virginia, and if it doesn't, it certainly smells and tastes like it does, although the Virginia (if any) clearly takes the back seat with the Burley driving and riding shotgun.
Upon lighting the bowl, I got slightly sweet, toasty notes associated with burley, along with a hint of molasses and dark chocolate flavor in the background. The flavor and room note is all tobacco, and any topping or casing is not apparent. The flavor was consistent throughout my two bowls, required minimal relights, and I never got any bite. Ready Rubbed is definitely a good all-day smoke, and I could see it being my new corn cob go-to blend.

 
May 3, 2010
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When I had Carter Hall I found out very quickly why most people use it to cut blends. It’s very mundane and bland. Rather boring as flavor profiles go. How some people have it as a regular in their rotation is beyond me.
As far as Burley blends go I like Mac Baren’s HH Burley Flake, WarHorse RR, & Lane Limited RR. They have more meat on the bones than Carter Hall for sure. Much more in your face and complex flavor profiles compared to CH.

 

loadclear

Starting to Get Obsessed
Nov 13, 2017
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Here's an idea for you...
I smoked my last tin of Frog Morton Cellar a few months ago. Unfortunately, its the last time I'll smoke it since it's no longer available.
In each tin of FMC, there's a cube of wood from a bourbon cask. I took this block, put it in a sealed jar with a shot of bourbon, and let it sit for a few weeks. Then, I put the block of wood in a jar of Chatham Manor. I let it sit for a couple more weeks, and gave it a shot...
It's VERY good. It's not quite an aromatic, not quite infused with bourbon, but has a hint of it. I think next jar, I'll add in a little Latakia to see if it even comes close to FMC (probably not, but I bet it will still taste good).
I know, not exactly the question you were asking, but it may be worth someone's while to change up the flavors in a codger burley blend.

 

sparroa

Lifer
Dec 8, 2010
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I snagged some Wessex and Solani burley flakes since last week and I've been really enjoying a fairly fresh tin of WBS I cracked open a while ago. They are definitely old-fashioned tasting in spirit but I think they are far more refined than what the old timers would have smoked. (I find the MacBaren burley flake even softer than these)
Glad to hear that you enjoyed the Lane Limited Ready Rubbed! I hope to try some very soon myself. That flavour profile you described with the semi sweet dark chocolate and molasses notes is roughly what I am hoping to find. I know to temper my expectations with OTC blends but that is probably one of the first ones in a long time to interest me.

 

lawdawg

Lifer
Aug 25, 2016
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Here's an idea for you...
I smoked my last tin of Frog Morton Cellar a few months ago. Unfortunately, its the last time I'll smoke it since it's no longer available.
In each tin of FMC, there's a cube of wood from a bourbon cask. I took this block, put it in a sealed jar with a shot of bourbon, and let it sit for a few weeks. Then, I put the block of wood in a jar of Chatham Manor. I let it sit for a couple more weeks, and gave it a shot...
It's VERY good. It's not quite an aromatic, not quite infused with bourbon, but has a hint of it. I think next jar, I'll add in a little Latakia to see if it even comes close to FMC (probably not, but I bet it will still taste good).
I know, not exactly the question you were asking, but it may be worth someone's while to change up the flavors in a codger burley blend.
I like FMC and smoke it on occassion. I've got a couple tins in my cellar, and an open one jarred. The wooden "stave" cube is still in the mason jar. I'll have to give that a try... Frog Manor :puffy:
I snagged some Wessex and Solani burley flakes since last week and I've been really enjoying a fairly fresh tin of WBS I cracked open a while ago. They are definitely old-fashioned tasting in spirit but I think they are far more refined than what the old timers would have smoked. (I find the MacBaren burley flake even softer than these)
Glad to hear that you enjoyed the Lane Limited Ready Rubbed! I hope to try some very soon myself. That flavour profile you described with the semi sweet dark chocolate and molasses notes is roughly what I am hoping to find. I know to temper my expectations with OTC blends but that is probably one of the first ones in a long time to interest me.
It sounds like you would at least appreciate Lane Ready Rubbed as an all-tobacco flavor OTC. It probably wouldn't whet your taste for a finer blend, but would serve well as a reliable on-the-go tobacco. I can definitely see it as a good blend to toss in a pouch with a pair of cobs before heading out fishing, etc.

 

sparroa

Lifer
Dec 8, 2010
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I'm sure it will be decent for times when I want a quick smoke. I'll probably get a small pouch from SmokingPipes to see where I stand. I can't blind buy a huge tub in good conscience...
I read a few reviews lately saying it was the closest OTC to Wessex so I need to find out if it is even remotely true.

 

smokertruck

Can't Leave
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smoked ch a few years ago - great choco burley flavor -

finished the lot so bought some more about a year ago - no chocolate flavor & quite acidic

i guess it was a bad batch or is it less chocolatey now let alone the acrid flavor ??

liked the original batch i smoked but not willing to buy more if they have changed the production.

didnt like prince albert as much.

 

sparroa

Lifer
Dec 8, 2010
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I also saw tobacco reviews claiming that Prince Albert was reformulated relatively recently.
Does anyone know if that is true?

 
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