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Professor Moriarty

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St Bruno and Gold Block are sort of codger aro - I don't really think of them as such, it's low key. Are they crossover? Erinmore and University Flake same kind of deal.
Saint Bruno is a good smoke, but its floral note, while not overwhelming, eventually becomes tiresome to me.
Same with lightly flavored American Burley Codgers.
But I never tire of a sturdy English.
 

woodsroad

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1. English blends, by definition, adhere to former English law which forbade artificial additives to tobacco
2. The economics of tobacco companies does not in the least modify my preferences
Sir, you are sadly misinformed. The list of additives used across British tobacco blends runs multiple pages. I have posted it here in the past. Almost all pipe tobacco has flavorings added. The blends that you prefer just so happen to contain flavorings that you find to be complementary.
 

tobakenist

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Sir, you are sadly misinformed. The list of additives used across British tobacco blends runs multiple pages. I have posted it here in the past. Almost all pipe tobacco has flavorings added. The blends that you prefer just so happen to contain flavorings that you find to be complementary.
You are Quoting British Tobacco and not what is known as English tobacco.
 
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Not to offend anyone or start fights--to each his own.
I formerly enjoyed the occasional aromatic, but now find them all offensive, vile, and contrary to the spirit of smoking.
To me, they are kid stuff--like cherry flavored cigars.
I have re-discovered my love of English blends. Even a lightly flavored tobacco is now repugnant to me.
Candies, puddings, chocolates, coffee, bourbon, florals...all have their place, but not in my pipe.
I hate to tell you this, or maybe I don't, but English blends used to be referred to as "aromatics" because of the aromatic nature of oriental leaf
 

Sig

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Nothing has more harmed our hobby than newbies being turned off by goopy aromatics.
But not all aromatics are goopy.
I agree, goopy American style aromatics are not great.....in my opinion.
But I do occasionally like a Danish or English style aromatic.
MacBaren and G&H both make some decent tasting, not goopy aromatics.
A decent aromatic tastes like tobacco, with a touch of flavor.
The goopy American stuff doesn't have the tobacco flavor to me.
I dont smoke them often, but I do like a bowl of Black Ambrosia or WO Larsen Signature occasionally.
 

Professor Moriarty

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I am referring to the misstatement abour British purity laws and how English blends don’t have flavorings added.
tobakenist said:
The reason why some tobaccos are called English is because in my country (England) it was illegal to case tobacco, after WW1 we were able to import other tobaccos, some agreement with the USA, when growing up in the mid 50's and through the 60's most pipe smokers still smoked English blends, but where I grew up my town was 70 percent Scottish who worked in my towns Steelworks so I learnt about Scottish blends, no to dissimilar to English blends but some were cased with Whiskey and some were even cased with Heather, I still enjoy some Scottish blends. I have tried many aromatics over the years and enjoyed some but could never stick with them as my daily smoke. A lot of English and Balkan blends are made in Scandinavia now, so we should rename them. Thank god for my friends in Kendal.

I daresay Mr. @tobakenist, a lifer from Jolly Old, has more gravitas on the subject than either of us.

It MAY be true that today's "English" blends contain casings and other additives, but so what? If I can't taste or smell it, it may as well not be there. Aromatics suck, IMO, and the tobaccos I smoke are not aromatics by any reasonable definition of the word.
 
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woodsroad

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tobakenist said:
The reason why some tobaccos are called English is because in my country (England) it was illegal to case tobacco, after WW1 we were able to import other tobaccos, some agreement with the USA, when growing up in the mid 50's and through the 60's most pipe smokers still smoked English blends, but where I grew up my town was 70 percent Scottish who worked in my towns Steelworks so I learnt about Scottish blends, no to dissimilar to English blends but some were cased with Whiskey and some were even cased with Heather, I still enjoy some Scottish blends. I have tried many aromatics over the years and enjoyed some but could never stick with them as my daily smoke. A lot of English and Balkan blends are made in Scandinavia now, so we should rename them. Thank god for my friends in Kendal.

I daresay Mr. @tobakenist, a lifer from Jolly Old, has more gravitas on the subject than either of us.

It MAY be true that today's "English" blends contain cased tobacco and other additives, but so what? If I can't taste or smell it, it may as well not be there. Aromatics suck, IMO
“The reason why some tobaccos are called English is because in my country (England) it was illegal to case tobacco”

And?

Historically, that’s interesting, but I fail to see how it’s relevant to my post pointing out the long list of artificial flavorings used in British tobacco blends.
 

Professor Moriarty

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“The reason why some tobaccos are called English is because in my country (England) it was illegal to case tobacco”

And?

Historically, that’s interesting, but I fail to see how it’s relevant to my post pointing out the long list of artificial flavorings used in British tobacco blends.
And..."It MAY* be true that today's "English" blends contain casings and other additives, but so what? If I can't taste or smell it, it may as well not be there. Aromatics suck, IMO, and the tobaccos I smoke are not aromatics by any reasonable definition of the word."

* "Almost all pipe tobacco has flavorings added" -- you say "almost all"

So, it is not clear what your point is.
 
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woodsroad

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And..."It MAY be true that today's "English" blends contain casings and other additives, but so what? If I can't taste or smell it, it may as well not be there. Aromatics suck, IMO, and the tobaccos I smoke are not aromatics by any reasonable definition of the word."

So, it is not clear what your point is.
Ok, so your perception of artificial flavorings is lousy, but as long as you can’t detect it, it doesn’t matter, even though you are actually enjoying a blend that you say sucks.

Yeah.
 

Chasing Embers

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Aromatics suck, IMO, and the tobaccos I smoke are not aromatics by any reasonable definition of the word.
Up until I joined the forum ten years ago, I had only ever heard of Oriental tobacco called aromatic and flavored blends were called flavored. Even in Carl Ehwa Jr.'s writing from a decade before I picked up a pipe said as much.

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Professor Moriarty

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Ok, so your perception of artificial flavorings is lousy, but as long as you can’t detect it, it doesn’t matter, even though you are actually smoking a blend that you say sucks.

Yeah.
So, you're really going to die on that hill? Claiming the English blends I smoke are actually stealth aromatics??
 

Professor Moriarty

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Up until I joined the forum ten years ago, I had only ever heard of Oriental tobacco called aromatic and flavored blends were called flavored. Even in Carl Ehwa Jr.'s writing from a decade before I picked up a pipe said as much.
This and a few other posts along the same line are silly. The modern, widely accepted definition of "Aromatic" is a blend with artificial flavorings added which lend a distinct non-tobacco aroma and taste to the blend.
Everyone uses this definition, except a few people who seem stuck in 1950. 😭
 
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