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sablebrush52

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Jun 15, 2013
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That would be great, Jesse, but our 100% failure rate at that leads me to believe it will never happen.
But we have largely managed to do that with regard to the FDA ruling. Sure a few people with boundary and developmental issues got on their soapboxes and publicly relieved themselves, but the majority of posts dealt factually with the aspects of that legislation, or if not, at least commented narrowly with regard to that legislation. So, it can be done. I see this topic on other forums. But if we really can't handle any kind of freedom here then you may be right in wanting Tobacco Legislation removed as a topic.

 

aldecaker

Lifer
Feb 13, 2015
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Oh, I don't want Tobacco Legislation removed as a topic at all. I'm just talking about the wiggle room written into the parentheses of Rule #6.

 

brightleaf

Part of the Furniture Now
Sep 4, 2017
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Being able to discuss tobacco legislation is important. Millions of dollars are spent by the government in an effort to convince us of the way to think about legislation. Discussing it allows us to understand what is happening and what could happen in the future. We have a lot of combined experience and can learn from each other.

 

aldecaker

Lifer
Feb 13, 2015
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Discussing tobacco legislation without discussing politics seems about as easy as discussing theology without mentioning God.

 

deathmetal

Lifer
Jul 21, 2015
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Discussing tobacco legislation without discussing politics seems about as easy as discussing theology without mentioning God.
This is the eternal tension, and why people want a political forum.
We all dislike tobacco legislation, but it is not a cause in itself, but an effect of some attitudes that many of us are still infected with.
I mean, I have learned quite a bit from analysis of the problem, and now I go around ripping off warning tags.

 

brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
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One political stance we all agree on, put in the most minimalist terms, is that we don't want government actions to influence our pipe smoking. The end. What else is there to discuss, and why?
Are you really suggesting that we could discuss “government actions influencing our pipe smoking” without it being a political discussion?
The problem is it’s simply not a compartmentalized issue, or happening in a vacuum. Any discussion that cannot address the holistic nature of the problem is mostly pointless...imo.

 

perdurabo

Lifer
Jun 3, 2015
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Wouldn't discussing legislation be discussing politics? I don't believe that to be the case, but many obviously do. Discussing politics would be one campaigning for us to vote for said candidates because they would be against or for certain legislation. Discussing philosophy behind how a person views the tobacco legislation isn't politics.

 

deathmetal

Lifer
Jul 21, 2015
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Good point. How do we discuss tobacco legislation without mentioning that we're in the late stages of empire, for example?

 

brightleaf

Part of the Furniture Now
Sep 4, 2017
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Personally, I think the mods do a great job. I think this forum is a great place for information. Being a mod is not easy and they are better than on any other forum I have been a part of.

 

saltedplug

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Aug 20, 2013
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What a complete, total, absolute, unmitigated, spectacularly dim-witted idiot you are for having such a view, Warren. And your mother was no better. In fact, she was probably a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries! Not to mention your dog... you doubtless have a stupid dog, too.
Hilarious!
Though both would want to be a matter of public record, be she dwarf or hamster, it would more difficult to hide a mother dwarf than mother hamster. Thus the attribution is more likely believable if one goes with the dwarf, and more believable still if the dwarf is in tow.

 

aldecaker

Lifer
Feb 13, 2015
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I think the mods do a great job as well; that certainly is not at issue here. I will say that the more vague the rule, the more difficult it must be to enforce with equanimity, IMO.

 

brightleaf

Part of the Furniture Now
Sep 4, 2017
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True. Each mod is going to have a different opinion as well. I would rather they had more freedom to allow and prohibit as they each saw fit, than have their hands tied into a specific decision. It is a private board not a government sponsored board. They can run it how they want to.

 

seacaptain

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Apr 24, 2015
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Funny how the "legislation" and "politics" issues in a tobacco forum mirror the same issues in a gun forum that I frequent.
Both forums have their share of Fudds.

 

perdurabo

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Jun 3, 2015
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SeaCaptain, that's because most don't have control of the idea of what "POLITICS" actually is.
Politics:
It's Law? Nope
It's Ideology? Nope
It's Philosophy? Nope
Its constitutions and other governing documents? Nope
It's really nothing but the acquiring of government power.

 

shanegreen

Starting to Get Obsessed
Feb 17, 2018
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The thing with politics is this. Our "representatives" are supposed to be acting in our best interests, but then you go to the cigar shop and there is a new way your bulk tobacco has to be handed to you etc, but none of us are asking for these little details. Now, without mentioning names if we look at our representatives closely, we will see many of them go to the same country clubs and ride in the same golf cart while all the regular people take one side or another and argue it out. Many of these "representatives" have said one thing one year, and then the opposite years later, and it never matters to most because people will back up whoever states their key issues a the time. But again, the people fight with each other while these other people laugh it up in the same country club. My point is that there is no point in fighting with one another while we are being stimulated on various subjects through various forms of media. Now, there is a purpose and place for things without doubt, but there was a day when a man like Kennedy was liked by both parties. I consider myself apolitical, yet realize that alone is a political statement.

As for tobacco legislation, there is a horse of another color. No matter what form, because it is "bad for us" whether it is cigs, cigars, or pipes, there is always some gradual restriction, tax, where you can and cannot do it, how many feet you have to stand from a building, etc. I do not see how many smokers would fight with one another on the subject, but then again, I see human nature, and people fight with each other over everything possible.

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
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It's really nothing but the acquiring and wielding of government power.
True.
Politics are also played (employed?) by those who would limit government, sometimes severely (to use a subjective term). Politics is simply what people employ? to govern, attempt to govern, gain a governing position, etc. Hardly a science as universities label some classes, it is mostly just the tactics and actions of government. I use "politician" mostly as a pejorative. Hardly fair, that. Many honorable people over the centuries have practiced politics. then agin, many dishonorable people have made "politics" a negative term.
Run for class president? You'll employ politics. Union shop steward? Politics. President of the PTA? Politics. Wanna lead the local Rotary, Elks, etc. you'll be employing politics in some form or another. President of the gun club? NRA? Golf and Tennis Club? Politics. Home Owners Association? Garden Club? Pipe Club? It's all the same, just a matter of scale I suppose.
I do so love the candidate who proudly proclaims, "I am not a politician!" My ass!

 

ssjones

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Don't forget, this forum is unique that is is 100% vendor supported. No other pipe forum is built on this model. Kevin determined that the forum sponsors wouldn't want to be affiliated with a "free for all" style forum, hence the stricter rules than you might elsewhere (one pipe forum has a "rubber room" of sorts, where it's a free-for-all).

 
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