I read somewhere that Rattrays and Peterson are clones? Peterson CC and Rattrays rower bridge for example is the same recipe!
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Anyone’s how knows?
Rattray’s and Peterson
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Iremember reading that K&K produced the Peterson blends before they moved to STG and yes they continued to make them under different names.
Just need to find the information now
here we go,from tobacco reviews
We would describe 'Wallace Flake' as the Holy Grail among the flakes. Try these extraordinary creation, and you will know why we stick out our neck that far. Virginia tobaccos, whose color ranges from golden to chocolate brown, were combined with sun-dried India and finally refined with a very fine plum aroma.
Notes: After K&K lost the Peterson range to Mac Baren, they did not want to waste their recipes. They tweaked them a little and simply renamed the old Peterson line to be re-released under the Rattray's label: Malcolm Flake being Erinmore Flake; Sterling Flake being Irish Flake; and Wallace Flake being University Flake.
elsewhere
I've heard a rumour that Peterson's lost their license to the old recipes.
Apparently it's now in the hands of Rattrays. If you care to, you can go and have a look over at 4noggins and check out all the new Rattray blends:
Wallace Flake = University Flake
Macbeth = Sherlock Holmes
Red Lion = Old Dublin
Sir William = Irish Whisky
London Eye = Nutty Cut
Tower Bridge = Connoisseurs Choice
Royal Albert = Luxury Blend
Westminister Abbey = Sweet Killarney
Union Jack = Sunset Breeze
Buckingham = Gold Blend
Strirling Flake = Irish Flake
Just need to find the information now
here we go,from tobacco reviews
Rattray - Wallace Flake (Flake Collection)
EDIT THIS TOBACCOFAVORITEWISHLISTSUBSCRIBEDWe would describe 'Wallace Flake' as the Holy Grail among the flakes. Try these extraordinary creation, and you will know why we stick out our neck that far. Virginia tobaccos, whose color ranges from golden to chocolate brown, were combined with sun-dried India and finally refined with a very fine plum aroma.
Notes: After K&K lost the Peterson range to Mac Baren, they did not want to waste their recipes. They tweaked them a little and simply renamed the old Peterson line to be re-released under the Rattray's label: Malcolm Flake being Erinmore Flake; Sterling Flake being Irish Flake; and Wallace Flake being University Flake.
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elsewhere
I've heard a rumour that Peterson's lost their license to the old recipes.
Apparently it's now in the hands of Rattrays. If you care to, you can go and have a look over at 4noggins and check out all the new Rattray blends:
Wallace Flake = University Flake
Macbeth = Sherlock Holmes
Red Lion = Old Dublin
Sir William = Irish Whisky
London Eye = Nutty Cut
Tower Bridge = Connoisseurs Choice
Royal Albert = Luxury Blend
Westminister Abbey = Sweet Killarney
Union Jack = Sunset Breeze
Buckingham = Gold Blend
Strirling Flake = Irish Flake
I was out and smell in my tins and for sure there is some similarities but their is som differences as well.
Tanks!
It would be nice if tobacco reviews attributed a source to that information.
I have been hearing this since I saw Wallace Flake start to become available here. I believe it is pretty widely known. @paulfg is dead on. Just like the Bingham tobaccos were all direct copies of the Dunhill blends when they were pulled from the market briefly, decades ago.
I give Tobacco Reviews about as much credibility as the National Enquirer...
I don't think that ALL of Rattrays blends are clones. But, obviously some are. I don't think anything about this is scandalous. It happens all the time. Companies also will sometimes have other companies make a certain blend for them. It's not like they are counterfeiting money.
I do think that some of these aren't "exact" copies. I'm pretty sure that different manufacturers will add some proprietorial casings and such. When STG took over many blends the taste changed in most, if not all of them. Different sources for tobaccos, different regions, casings, etc...
And, no, for my world and regional news, I wouldn't rely on tobaccoreviews.
I do think that some of these aren't "exact" copies. I'm pretty sure that different manufacturers will add some proprietorial casings and such. When STG took over many blends the taste changed in most, if not all of them. Different sources for tobaccos, different regions, casings, etc...
And, no, for my world and regional news, I wouldn't rely on tobaccoreviews.
agreedI don't think that ALL of Rattrays blends are clones. But, obviously some are. I don't think anything about this is scandalous. It happens all the time. Companies also will sometimes have other companies make a certain blend for them. It's not like they are counterfeiting money.
I do think that some of these aren't "exact" copies. I'm pretty sure that different manufacturers will add some proprietorial casings and such. When STG took over many blends the taste changed in most, if not all of them. Different sources for tobaccos, different regions, casings, etc...
And, no, for my world and regional news, I wouldn't rely on tobaccoreviews.
Notes: After K&K lost the Peterson range to Mac Baren, they did not want to waste their recipes. They tweaked them a little
I just wrote to SmokingPipes to ask the root question in this discussion.
What I asked: “Friends, It has been suggested to me that Rattray blends are identical to Peterson blends. That Stirling Flake is exactly the same as Irish Flake. That each Rattray offering has a twin in the Peterson line. If so, that feels somewhat disingenuous to someone like me who reviews pipe tobacco. Can you confirm or deny this as rumor or fact?”
This was the response from Anthony Cicco with Customer Support at SmokingPipes:
Rattray's tobacco blends are made in Germany, while Peterson blends are made in Denmark. We can say with certainty that it is pretty much impossible for these to be the exact same blends with different names. They may have similar components and comparable ratios of them, but they're absolutely different blends.
There are some smokers who may tell you they're the same thing, but then there are other smokers that can quickly pick up the different nuances and flavor profiles of different varietals used in the respective blends. Sometimes it comes down to a smoker's subjective taste and sensitivity to flavor notes in order to really be able to tell how different they are.
I hope this information helps. Happy smoking!”
What I asked: “Friends, It has been suggested to me that Rattray blends are identical to Peterson blends. That Stirling Flake is exactly the same as Irish Flake. That each Rattray offering has a twin in the Peterson line. If so, that feels somewhat disingenuous to someone like me who reviews pipe tobacco. Can you confirm or deny this as rumor or fact?”
This was the response from Anthony Cicco with Customer Support at SmokingPipes:
Rattray's tobacco blends are made in Germany, while Peterson blends are made in Denmark. We can say with certainty that it is pretty much impossible for these to be the exact same blends with different names. They may have similar components and comparable ratios of them, but they're absolutely different blends.
There are some smokers who may tell you they're the same thing, but then there are other smokers that can quickly pick up the different nuances and flavor profiles of different varietals used in the respective blends. Sometimes it comes down to a smoker's subjective taste and sensitivity to flavor notes in order to really be able to tell how different they are.
I hope this information helps. Happy smoking!”
