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[Lumbridge]

I’ve heard that from many. Some have described it as a “tasty mouthful of wasps”. However, that’s a personal chemistry situation. I’ve never found anything smoother than Granger.

Yes, spending $18 to $20 for a 7 ounce tub is a bit steep to find out you dislike it. There are places online selling it by the ounce.

No shortcuts on the road to discovering your favorites. I’m afraid we’ve all been there.

I now enjoy a handful favorites and am essentially done with buying more. I’m usually disappointed when I do.

I'll probably just go for it next time I make an order.
And yeah, with every hobby I start out wanting to try everything under the sun, but end up settling on a few favorites. If I have too many options to choose from, I get choice paralysis. Most of the time I'd rather just fill a cob with Carter Hall than stand there pondering numerous jars and tins for a half hour.

 

[Grangerous]

If camels stopped production, I'd survive with Luckie strikes. However I wouldn't be happy about it.

I've been preferring inexpensive bulk tobaccos. Even what I call expensive or high quality tobaccos, are seemingly cheaper or close to Carter hall, which used to be my favorite every day blend. I've moved on since learning there's better stuff.

If there were no more Granger, I’d get by, but as you’ve said, - I would not be happy.

Side note: While I do enjoy many C&D Blends, which I know to be “better”because, well… more folks on Tobacco Reviews have said so -they’re not better to me, they’re not even close. They’re a far cry distant second. I consider Granger my Penzance. Lol.

 

[Grangerous]

I'll probably just go for it next time I make an order.
And yeah, with every hobby I start out wanting to try everything under the sun, but end up settling on a few favorites. If I have too many options to choose from, I get choice paralysis. Most of the time I'd rather just fill a cob with Carter Hall than stand there pondering numerous jars and tins for a half hour.

If you enjoy Carter Hall don’t question reaching for it, enjoy it. There are hundreds of blends and it’s folly to attempt to try them all. But…. we all want too. Lol

 

[didimauw]

If there were no more Granger, I’d get by, but as you’ve said, - I would not be happy.

Side note: While I do enjoy many C&D Blends, which I know to be “better”because, well… more folks on Tobacco Reviews have said so -they’re not better to me, they’re not even close. They’re a far cry distant second. I consider Granger my Penzance. Lol.

And don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise!!! Lol

 

[LeafErikson]

I can regularly find the stuff for $19-$20 for a 7oz can. That's 2.86/oz and more affordable than almost everything else on the market other than the Smoker's Pride, Low Country, etc. The stuff is cheaper than Lane's BCA for god's sake man. How the hell is SWR too expensive for Mr. Searock himself??

 

[mortonbriar]

I can regularly find the stuff for $19-$20 for a 7oz can. That's 2.86/oz and more affordable than almost everything else on the market other than the Smoker's Pride, Low Country, etc. The stuff is cheaper than Lane's BCA for god's sake man. How the hell is SWR too expensive for Mr. Searock himself??

I was kind of thinking along the same lines...today's prices are going to seem like bargain prices to you this time next year by my estimate.

 

[MCJ]

Somewhat off-topic, but: I can’t help wondering where these sizes came from for some of these blends. Seven ounces? Twelve? Why not an even half-pound and pound?

I'm going to proffer a somewhat cynical marketing reason for this, namely perceived price/value. If SWR has a tin of their product (just a tad bit smaller in weight/volume) sitting side-by-side on a store shelf next to their competitors' products which are all packaged in what look like same-sized tins (but actually contain slightly more content by weight/volume) then SWR will always be cheaper and appear to be a better buy if it is priced at the same cost-per-ounce as the competition. Alternatively, if SWR charges a little less per ounce the perceived value gap over the competition widens even further. Or, SWR could charge a slight amount more per ounce and still be perceived by the consumer as being at price parity. I wonder how many buyers (historically) even realized the difference in amount of contents in an SWR tin versus a competing brand's tin?

 

[LeafErikson]

I was kind of thinking along the same lines...today's prices are going to seem like bargain prices to you this time next year by my estimate.

I was in a discussion a month ago about the price of Capstan. To justify the price of Capstan the "Yeah but it's way cheaper than cigars" argument was used which is apples to oranges. It's like being unsure of spending 4k on a mountain bike and someone saying to you "Oh that's cheap. My motorcycle cost me 25k." Apples to apples, pipe tobacco to pipe tobacco, SWR is 'affordable'. Is it more expensive than it used to be? Absolutely, but relative to other pipe tobaccos it's still objectively 'affordable'. I get @Searock Fan 's frustration though. Everything is more expensive right now which sucks because once the price on something goes up, it almost never comes back down.

 

[rmbittner]

I'm going to proffer a somewhat cynical marketing reason for this, namely perceived price/value. If SWR has a tin of their product (just a tad bit smaller in weight/volume) sitting side-by-side on a store shelf next to their competitors' products which are all packaged in what look like same-sized tins (but actually contain slightly more content by weight/volume) then SWR will always be cheaper and appear to be a better buy if it is priced at the same cost-per-ounce as the competition. Alternatively, if SWR charges a little less per ounce the perceived value gap over the competition widens even further. Or, SWR could charge a slight amount more per ounce and still be perceived by the consumer as being at price parity. I wonder how many buyers (historically) even realized the difference in amount of contents in an SWR tin versus a competing brand's tin?

Thanks! That was actually my guess for the sizes as well.

 

[ThermionicScott]

Somewhat off-topic, but: I can’t help wondering where these sizes came from for some of these blends. Seven ounces? Twelve? Why not an even half-pound and pound?

I wonder if metrification plays a role at all. 7 oz is pretty darned close to 200 grams.

 

[MCJ]

I wonder if metrification plays a role at all. 7 oz is pretty darned close to 200 grams.

I doubt it in this case since it looks like SWR tins going back to at least the 1940's (if not earlier) were offered in 7 oz size, and (I think) in those days the company's manufacturing facilities were all US-based (and presumably used Imperial measurement system exclusively). But I could be mistaken.

In another example of the marketing/finance reasoning, I recently noted that Sutliff's 1849 VaPer blend is offered in 1.5 oz (42.5 gram) tin size versus most all other competing blends at "standard" 1.75 oz tin size (just under 50g at 49.6g). So here again tins of all brands on the shelf appear identical in size at first glance (with 1849 seemingly several dollars cheaper per tin than the competition), but in actuality price per unit (ounce or gram) is almost exactly equal for all when you sit down and calculate it.

 

[Searock Fan]

Just a quick "thank you" and a tip of the hat for all the advice and comments. I never would have thought it when I posted this thread.