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mawnansmiff

Lifer
Oct 14, 2015
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Sunny Cornwall, UK.
Yesterday I was delivered of my latest addition to my antique book collection. It is a very rare first edition of 'Mona Antiqua Restaurata' by Henry Rowlands printed in 1723. It's basically a history of the Isle of Anglesey (old name Mona) off the north west coast of Wales.

Towards the end of the book, right by what passed for an index back then, two pages of hand written script have been tipped in [carefully glued in at the inner edge] by a previous owner. What is written as an amazing account of a long deceased parishioner & his multitude of offspring. Here I have typed it out exactly as it appears though with some corrections/additions in square brackets. All spelling & grammar is as written. BTW, 'ferch' means daughter of & 'ap' means son of.

A true Coppy of a very remarkable Instance of old age and a numerous offspring, taken out of an old Register belonging to the Parish of Treganan, which is in the Rectory of Llangefni in the County of Anglesey and Transcribed into the new Register thereof for the satisfaction of Posterity.

There Died the 11th of March 1581 in the said Parish of Treganan in the said County of Anglesey one William ap Howel ap Yerwerth aged 105, he had been thrice married, his first wife was Ellen ferch Willain [sic], by her he had 22 children, the second wife was Katherin ferch Richard [&] by her he had 10 children, the third wife was Ellin ferch William now living; by her he had 4 children, he had also to[sic] concubines, the first was Jonet ferch William [&] by her he had 2 children and the other was Lecky Wye [?] and by her he had 5 children. His eldest son was Griffith ap William, now living aged 84.

He [the old man] has children’s children to the fourth generation in abundance, his youngest son is also called Griff ap William aged 2 years and a half, now living in the said Parish and the difference between the two [oldest & youngest] brothers is 81 years and [a] half, for the Eldest was of that age when the youngest son was born. His eldest daughter is called Alice ferch William aged 72. She has been twice marry’d and has a numerous offspring. There being living now of the old man’s offspring in the said Parish 80 persons and at his Funeral there was Computed to be about 300 persons that was descended from him. The said old man was of middle stature, of good complection [sic], never troubled with Cholick, gout or stone, seldom sick [&] of moderate Diet. [He] lived by Tillage, exercised himself much in fishing and fowleing, and had his senses perfect to the last.


Imagine being a young child with an 81 year old brother! I wondered if this was just a yarn but it appears to have some credible substance as found here...

St Caian's Church, Tregaian - Wikipedia

Here is the title page to the book and a picture of the tipped in script.

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Hope you enjoyed....

Regards,

Jay.
 

mawnansmiff

Lifer
Oct 14, 2015
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Sunny Cornwall, UK.
I can actually lay claim to some birthdate oddity myself.

I was born 30th December 1961 yet my paternal grandfather Isaac Granville Roland was born in 2nd October 1855! Think about that for a moment. He fought in both Boer wars and was too old for World War I.

The thing is he sired my father (born 10th March 1925) when he was aged 70!

It's a weird world that's for sure.

Regards,

Jay.
 
Dec 3, 2021
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Pennsylvania & New York
Yesterday I was delivered of my latest addition to my antique book collection. It is a very rare first edition of 'Mona Antiqua Restaurata' by Henry Rowlands printed in 1723. It's basically a history of the Isle of Anglesey (old name Mona) off the north west coast of Wales.

Towards the end of the book, right by what passed for an index back then, two pages of hand written script have been tipped in [carefully glued in at the inner edge] by a previous owner. What is written as an amazing account of a long deceased parishioner & his multitude of offspring. Here I have typed it out exactly as it appears though with some corrections/additions in square brackets. All spelling & grammar is as written. BTW, 'ferch' means daughter of & 'ap' means son of.

A true Coppy of a very remarkable Instance of old age and a numerous offspring, taken out of an old Register belonging to the Parish of Treganan, which is in the Rectory of Llangefni in the County of Anglesey and Transcribed into the new Register thereof for the satisfaction of Posterity.

There Died the 11th of March 1581 in the said Parish of Treganan in the said County of Anglesey one William ap Howel ap Yerwerth aged 105, he had been thrice married, his first wife was Ellen ferch Willain [sic], by her he had 22 children, the second wife was Katherin ferch Richard [&] by her he had 10 children, the third wife was Ellin ferch William now living; by her he had 4 children, he had also to[sic] concubines, the first was Jonet ferch William [&] by her he had 2 children and the other was Lecky Wye [?] and by her he had 5 children. His eldest son was Griffith ap William, now living aged 84.

He [the old man] has children’s children to the fourth generation in abundance, his youngest son is also called Griff ap William aged 2 years and a half, now living in the said Parish and the difference between the two [oldest & youngest] brothers is 81 years and [a] half, for the Eldest was of that age when the youngest son was born. His eldest daughter is called Alice ferch William aged 72. She has been twice marry’d and has a numerous offspring. There being living now of the old man’s offspring in the said Parish 80 persons and at his Funeral there was Computed to be about 300 persons that was descended from him. The said old man was of middle stature, of good complection [sic], never troubled with Cholick, gout or stone, seldom sick [&] of moderate Diet. [He] lived by Tillage, exercised himself much in fishing and fowleing, and had his senses perfect to the last.


Imagine being a young child with an 81 year old brother! I wondered if this was just a yarn but it appears to have some credible substance as found here...

St Caian's Church, Tregaian - Wikipedia

Here is the title page to the book and a picture of the tipped in script.

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Hope you enjoyed....

Regards,

Jay.
Thank you for sharing this new addition to your collection. It's a treat to see. This is the type of book that I only get to see in a glass case in passing at a booth at an antiquarian book fair—I wouldn't trouble a dealer to see something unless I had the means or intentions to purchase the item—it's not fair to waste his or her time if I'm not serious about its purchase. While this type of book doesn't fall into the range of my personal collecting sphere, it's still something that I can enjoy and appreciate seeing.

* Nerd Alert!*
This may be the first time I've ever seen "true copy" (correct copy) actually used in all my years of collecting books. "Fair copy" has come up all too often—this was really cool to see!

I would be curious to see other books from your collection. Do you focus on regional history?
 

mawnansmiff

Lifer
Oct 14, 2015
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Sunny Cornwall, UK.
"I would be curious to see other books from your collection. Do you focus on regional history?"

Theironmonkey, my initial focus was antique dictionaries but that soon expanded to ancient British/World histories with some also on the sciences that were known in those times. Most of my collection is 1600's - 1700's.

A recent purchase was William Camden's Britannia (1675) & The Historie of the World by Sir Walter Raleigh (1634)....both enormous volumes.

I'm currently browsing John Speed's Historie of Great Britaine of 1632.

Are you into old books? I created a post last October asking if anyone else collected old books, some others are listed there.

Regards,

Jay.
 
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Dec 3, 2021
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I'll take a look at your thread. My main collecting interests are modern first editions (and art books), but, I wouldn't be averse to getting books from the period you collect, or incunables for that matter—but, they'd more likely be something I'd have to stumble across and acquire at a bargain, as there are so many books in my primary areas of interest that I'd most likely use disposable income on. I'm going to send you a link to something near and dear to me.
 
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mso489

Lifer
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What makes me think he didn't take much part in rearing said children, since otherwise he wouldn't have had the energy to sire them. Plenty of care for him in old age! There was a blues "shouter," pretty successful in the recording industry, stage named Screaming Jay Hawkins, who was know for fathering many children, most on one-night stands as he toured. After he died, when they put out a call for claims of his paternity, and did some verification to see if the mothers' stories matched up with his touring schedule, I think they came up with eighty-some children that made probable claims to his being their father.