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indianafrank

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Oct 15, 2014
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warren -
My wife's uncle shot the "Dempsey v Tunny" long count. He did it with a 4x5 camera. Amazing!
WOW!
And then you think about guys like Mathew Brady and how he filmed the Civil War.
Also Ansel Adams lugging that view camera around.

 

toobfreak

Lifer
Dec 19, 2016
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.... and starting over. amazing
Actually filmshooter, that is how I learned photography as a little kid. Once you learn that, it is all downhill easy after that! Still have my Dad's Speed Graphic. He was a photographer in the Navy, WWII.

 

toobfreak

Lifer
Dec 19, 2016
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Any of you guys shoot any special situations, exotic lenses, etc? Or is it all mostly just the standard fare, people, events, etc.?
Here is a digitized picture I originally shot on film. Nothing special, it was just a test shot where I ran outside in the cold and shot it quick before the chill got in to affected the lens just to test for rectilinear distortion.
It was shot with a 35mm Canon 'L' full frame FD lens, 14mm f/2.8 with a 114° angle of view. You will note this is a full architectural quality lens with no geometric distortion for keeping straight lines in very close quarters, which is what I was testing for. It does a very good job of capturing in the frame what I see with my eyes (approximate human FOV).
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jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
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Carmel Valley, CA
Being in the right place at the right time, having your lens focussed and shutter/aperture set, finger on the button, eye in the viewfinder- that was 95% of my experience in getting good shots at a sporting event. (Lacrosse, football, soccer, basketball, baseball, water polo) Some sports are less strenuous for both participant and photog. - (Is poker a sport???) But archery, and a few others qualify).

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
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Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
I use mostly long glass, fastest available. I do have a PC lens which I love to play with now and then. Nothing I'd class as "exotic" though. Just the run of the mill teles, a few zooms at 2.8, a an ultra wide which mostly collects dust. The zoom range covers 16 to 400mm, four lenses. Oh! My favorite prime is a 300 f/4 which is always attached to a D5. It's very light, great contrast and resolution. With firmware handling higher ISOs so well it lets me leave the 300 2.8 in the car where it belongs except under certain conditions. There is a Fresnel lens in the little guy which really makes things snap!

 

woodsroad

Lifer
Oct 10, 2013
12,755
20,623
SE PA USA
When news photographers get together, there is almost no discussion of technical stuff. Sure, we'll gab about the newest camera body or flash a bit, but that's about it. No f-stop, shutter speed, angle of view, resolution talk. Maybe because it's understood already, but I think it's because none of that stuff really matters. Sure, you need to know it (or some of it, anyways) but it's like carpenters and hammers. They need them to do their work, but a hammer doesn't build a house.

 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
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Any of you guys shoot any special situations, exotic lenses, etc? Or is it all mostly just the standard fare, people, events, etc.?
About the most "exotic" lens I ever used was a Noctulux with a wide open aperture of .9, IIRC, and the occasional fisheye when needed for a specific shot. Most VFX work employed teles because the photographic plates were used as elements in a wider shot, so we calculated the lens to use based on its percentage of the overall composition.
Lens formulas always involve some level of compromise. To remove barrel distortion, the formula also lessened contrast. At Disney we used Leica lenses for which we machined mounts for the matte camera so that we could use the same lenses throughout the entire shooting process. We preferred Leica lenses because they had extra snap and would be sharper at wide open apertures than the Japanese lenses, even tough they were less well corrected for barrel distortion. Frankly, I prefer some curve on a very wide shot. It's more visually pleasing to me, and it's a more natural replication of what the eye sees even with the correction that goes on in our brains. My peripheral vision is still extremely acute (knock wood) so I see the curving perspective.
All lenses have differing levels of distortion, even individual lenses of the same make. These differences aren't huge and generally go unnoticed by photographers. But when one is involved in complex photographic composites, those differences could really jump up and bite you in the ass. It was especially true with stereoscopic photography. Creating stereoscopic marriages between live action plates and digitally constructed environments was not for the faint of heart.
It's always about telling the story. But to tell that story in a VFX environment you really needed to know the technical minutia or you were screwed, sometimes very expensively.

 

toobfreak

Lifer
Dec 19, 2016
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About the most "exotic" lens I ever used was a Noctulux with a wide open aperture of .9
That is screaming fast, Sable. My fastest lens is an 85mm f/1.2. But it is tack-sharp in the corners at full aperture!

 

pappymac

Lifer
Feb 26, 2015
3,553
5,031
Slidell, LA
Filmshooter - Now try doing most of that while hanging out the side door of a helicopter with a 4x5 Speed Graphic.
Woodsroad - Professional news photographers don't talk about the technical aspects because if you're a professional than its a given that you know that kind of stuff.
Toobfreak - Special situations? Like arriving on-scene as the eye of a hit land? 6 times. 5 major vessel fires - including a cruise ship in Florida, 18 major oil spills, 2 weeks documenting the Cuban Boatlift in 1980, 4 major drug interdiction operations, too many search and rescue cases to count. Spent a week shooting photos during the rededication of the Statue of Liberty in 1986. Those kind of things? I also did a couple of joint undercover surveillance ops shooting from the back of a van with tinted windows using a Nikonos underwater camera because the shutter was extremely quiet. I also took a photo of then President Reagan introducing President Elect Bush to Gorbachev in December 1988.
One of the drug ops, I shot a special hand-held camera with a 1000 mm lens. The specs on it said you could photograph a vessel from 2 miles away and read identify the people on the deck.

 

jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
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Carmel Valley, CA
Now it's got me wondering if there's a particularly high percentage of pro photogs who like pipes with English and/or VA's in 'em.
Thanks, Pappy. None or my shooting comes anywhere near your most routine assignment.

 

toobfreak

Lifer
Dec 19, 2016
1,365
7
Toobfreak - Special situations? Those kind of things?
Well, those are certainly some really interesting special situations, Pappy! Very exciting stuff. Memories of a lifetime. I bet that was a real thrill being there while Reagan was introducing Bush the elder to Gorbachev!
No, I mean even more exotic situations than that. Photography can be so many things. The prospects are unlimited! Situations requiring very special equipment and circumstances, such as photomicrography, shooting in narrow bandwidths of light, or shooting a picture with an infinite depth of field with stuff both one inch away and a 1/4 mile away both in focus.
Or taking a picture of a star cluster in space 6000 light years away with the camera chilled in dry ice to reduce reciprocity failure over a single 2 hour long exposure through a 1200mm telephoto lens and keeping the camera held steady for 2 hours slowly turning the lens in the precise direction and speed opposite the Earth to exactly compensate for the Earth's rotation in the other direction to get a sharp image!
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Of course, the original negative has been digitized and greatly reduced in size here. Hard to make out the individual stars and details at this scale. It is a picture of what they call Messier 11 (dead center) in the Summer Milky Way. Guiding was done with an illuminated reticule eyepiece.

 

pappymac

Lifer
Feb 26, 2015
3,553
5,031
Slidell, LA
Ahh! I was also trained in what we called technical photography - a skill I used mostly for documenting hairline cracks in ship board equipment or close-up documentary photography on those ship board fires for the investigations. We were cross trained in everything from aerial photography to portraiture to news photography in crisis situations to even environmental photography so it pretty much covered about 90 percent of the photography world. I even had fun for a couple of years shooting night time photos using available light and pushing the ASA 400 black & white film to ASA 3600 and processing in diluted microfilm developer.
I was also cross trained in shooting Mopic and Video.

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
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Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
I purchased a decent telescope two years ago with the thought of doing some deep sky. I piddle with it sometimes but, good night sky in Alaska means winter and cold. So, I never worked up the enthusiasm as I'd hoped for. The grandson will have a really nice, equatorial mounted, 14 inch SC, in a few years to play with I'm guessing.
I've a few acquaintances who do deep sky but, I've never looked on the equipment as rare or exotic. There are some very specialized imagers out there though, which I haven't run into.
My question would be: Why guide manually? My telescope follows the target without any assistance from me. Well, I do sit by the window with a book and some port, watching the setup perform without any assistance from me. Was your shot, a grand one by the way, taken before the advent of motorized mounts with on-board computer?

 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
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Southern Oregon
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Toob,
That is a magnificent shot!
I've worked with all kind so extremes. With VFX, it was always something new. I'm one of the few people alive that has done live in-camera matte shots. The practice was common in the early 20th century because image quality really took a major hit when it was duped, so everything possible was done in camera on the original negative.
By the mid 1950's shots were largely done in post, rather than live and the old glass shot pretty much died out. It was an unforgiving technique. It either worked the first time, or not at all, and there were no second chances.
On Lonesome Dove I went to Angel Fire NM to create the master shot for the Montana Ranch. The idea was to show the change of seasons through a cross dissolve between a winter version and a summer one.
So one fine July day I found myself on a rise above a large meadow on a cattle ranch in the mountains above Taos, siting the shot while a log cabin and corral were being constructed below. Having sited the shot, I staked the tripod in place where it would stay until the shot was completed and an "easel" was constructed to hold the glass where I would paint the winter version. I would be carrying focus from about 5 feet to infinity.
A shelter was constructed to protect the camera and glass from the elements, and so that I could have some measure of control over lighting the painting, allowing it blend into the background beyond.
Part of the concern with this type of shot is that the landscape elements of the real location have to be matched in the painting or things will seem to jump around during the dissolve. Tree lines, rock formations, all kinds of elements need to join up. The clear areas of the glass need to line up to those portions of the location where action needs to be staged "inside" the painting.
I won't go into all of the steps involved, but I will say that nature and an idiot of a director played merry hell with getting the job done. New Mexico has amazing weather, and a major collision of storms arrived at the same time that I did.
My getting a painting lined up to the location was complicated either by fog that obscured the meadow or by a flunky who showed up to grab my lens the moment the fog lifted. The director had never used that lens before I chose it, fell in love with it, decided he couldn't live without it, and kept taking it to use at critical junctures. The only way I could end this nonsense was to tell the production that I regretfully had to quit as I couldn't proceed as things were. Suddenly the lens was mine.
Then the storm from hell hit. I was working nights to make up the time lost, painting away in my little shelter, 2/3rds of a mile from the nearest road, the outside a howling maelstrom of lightning, rain, wind, and texas gumbo. My trusty gas generator was powering the 9 lights that I used as a painting light while I painting in all of the snow that would dust the trees, cover the ground and the roof of the cabin.
A sudden blast of air burst through the door flaps, hit me like a five foot fist, literally tossing me into the air and then slamming me to the ground. I saw the 9 lights falling toward the painting and I managed to deflect it. When it hit the ground the lights went out and it was pure chaos inside as my equipment went flying everywhere.
And just as quickly, everything went completely still.
I was lying there, catching my breath, the only sound coming from the generator which was still purring away. My forehead felt wet and my first thought was that I had gotten cut. What I tasted wasn't blood but water. That's when I looked up and saw the beautiful starry night sky where the roof had been. It was snowing.
I figured that was enough for one day. I gathered up the camera, draped the glass, and hiked out of there into the darkness. My flashlight, along with some of my gear, had been blown into the deep deep darkness.
Want a good workout? Carry 100 lbs of camera gear at an 8500 foot elevation through sucking mud that goes almost up to your knees. Fortunately I didn't become anything's dinner before making my way back to the car.
Two days later, after more twists and turns, I lit the painting, called action, and got the shot.

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
12,314
18,396
Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
You made a substantial contribution to a favorite show of mine. Now I will never watch that scene and see what I'm supposed to see. "Thanks, thanks a lot!" (E. Tubb circa 1964) Seriously, your tale is excellent and well told. Most people, I am one, marvel at movie making techniques before computer generated effects. You had to do it, do it well, and on time in less than comfortable circumstances. You have my thanks! Artists such as you put the magic into movies.
I've done that hike. Hip deep snow, not mud.

 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
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Southern Oregon
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Thanks Warren,
Digital makes things a lot easier, but there's something rather bloodless about the whole thing. There were other challenges during that experience, almost as extreme as the one I recounted. In the end, I felt very much alive, having prevailed over adversity.
Once the two versions, Winter and Spring, were in the can I headed over to the production designer's car, as he was heading into Santa Fé and I was going to spend another week there visiting family. I hadn't slept in the 36 hours preceding the shoot. I laid down on the back seat and was out like a light in a nanosecond.

 

tuold

Lifer
Oct 15, 2013
2,133
168
Beaverton,Oregon
I inherited all the slides my dad took from the 50's to the 70s. There were hundreds of them. I also took a few hundred during my 3 year Air Force tour in Japan in the 80's. My solution was to buy a Canon flat bed scanner with a slide mount attachment. I could scan four slides at a time.
That took me while, but I was also able to use the scanner for all the old pictures from my grandparents' albums. The scanner has a multiscan mode where you can lay as many pictures down as will fit on the platen and the scanner will save them all as separate files.
At the time I was using Google Picasa to organize them but there are better options now.
So if you think you might use a scanner for other projects in the future you might consider going that route.
It's a great way to save and share those precious family memories....like this one:
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coffinmaker

Can't Leave
Jan 20, 2016
300
2
You fine folks have so much knowledge and experience that any photographer could learn much from all of you. Thank you all for sharing these wonderful adventures and stories.

 

jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
26,273
30,307
Carmel Valley, CA
Jesse-
That's a story and a half! Thanks, almost like being there. My most difficult shots were on a sailboat, shooting other boats and all I had to do is pull the camera back when we heeled over a lot. So, not quite the depth of your tale!

 
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