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Briar Lee

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Today my wife and I went to Columbia Missouri and I bought six cans of GL Pease tobacco from Wayne Davis at Jon’s Pipe Shop.

One was Temple Bar.

It really is a bar of tobacco.

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Wayne Davis was talking about a conversion he had with Adlia Stevenson II about Humphrey Bogart and Lauren Bacall when Bogie had cancer (you can’t make this up, Wayne is full of these stories, go visit Jon’s Pipe Shop) when my wife pulled up and I didn’t get Wayne’s explanation about why there used to be bars of pipe tobacco.

I’ve heard of sailor’s having rope tobacco.

Why the bars?
 

chilllucky

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Same reason as the ropes, really. Along the way, some flavor-marrying/anaerobic fermenting side benefits were discovered and became prized, but the form is for shipping.

In colonial and early republic times, America only grew raw leaf - all manufacturing into finished product was done back in England, so the most economical weight to volume method of shipping the result back had to be used. Couple that with the fact that the vast majority of Americans took their tobacco as chew - plugs and ropes served both purposes. The general store clerk could weigh or measure you out a hunk, and it didn't really matter at all if it was easy to light up, as the chances were that wasn't your intention anyways.

This is all from Barbara Hahn's book "Making Tobacco Bright"
 

Briar Lee

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A true story that’s either brave or bizarre depending on your perspective: Bogie’s house had a dumbwaiter; in the last stages of his illness he would be brought downstairs in it to greet guests who had come over for cocktails.

When you walk into Wayne’s shop there is this huge table all piled with books for brainiacs in the middle.

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Stevenson died ten years before Wayne opened his shop, but Wayne was comparing the bravery of Churchill at Omdurman with the homey aw shucks likability yet brazen style of Stevenson.

Although Bogie was dying Stevenson said to Wayne Davis he looked up and Lauren Bacall was supporting Bogie who said he loved to hear a real tough guy speak.

My wife called and was double parked outside, and I had to leave.

Davis should be declared a living monument.:)


The lecture about Bogie was occasioned by my can of Maltese Falcon.

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Wayne was going down the line of my six cans of tobacco I’d purchased:

He doesn’t accept plastic only cash, but Central Bank’s ATM is in sight of his shop across the street, in the shadow of The Columns.


When I return I’ll see what stories Temple Bar gets out of Wayne Davis.

Temple Bar, London - Wikipedia - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Bar,_London

For $14.75 plus sales tax each purchase of GL Pease in all the flavors comes with a free box of wooden matches and a Dr. Wayne Davis history lecture.
 
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jguss

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Interesting assortment of books, heavy on the history. Some are classics, all outdated by the standards of today. In von Ranke’s case by the standards of 150 years ago. Robert Graves, the poet and novelist, was von Ranke’s great grandnephew. For war poetry I’d take Brooke and especially Sassoon over Graves any day; but for his classic memoir and historical fiction Graves remains one of the giants of the 20th century.
 

Sig

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A true story that’s either brave or bizarre depending on your perspective: Bogie’s house had a dumbwaiter; in the last stages of his illness he would be brought downstairs in it to greet guests who had come over for cocktails.
Ok, serious this time.
When my wifes aunt and uncle were looking at houses, they looked at one with an elevator. It was a 2 story house. And it was not for wheelchairs or disabled. The elevator was 3"x3", and the door had no window. So you're in a tiny box. The literature from the elevator installation showed just healthy moms, dad's, kids, and elders riding in it. There was also a receipt....it cost $17,000 installed.
The stairs next to the elevator had 13 steps. Rich people bewilder me sometimes.
 

Briar Lee

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Same reason as the ropes, really. Along the way, some flavor-marrying/anaerobic fermenting side benefits were discovered and became prized, but the form is for shipping.

In colonial and early republic times, America only grew raw leaf - all manufacturing into finished product was done back in England, so the most economical weight to volume method of shipping the result back had to be used. Couple that with the fact that the vast majority of Americans took their tobacco as chew - plugs and ropes served both purposes. The general store clerk could weigh or measure you out a hunk, and it didn't really matter at all if it was easy to light up, as the chances were that wasn't your intention anyways.

This is all from Barbara Hahn's book "Making Tobacco Bright"

Ahhhh!!!

Shipping!!!

The flat plugs would have shipped easily in wooden crates.
 

Briar Lee

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Interesting assortment of books, heavy on the history. Some are classics, all outdated by the standards of today. In von Ranke’s case by the standards of 150 years ago. Robert Graves, the poet and novelist, was von Ranke’s great grandnephew. For war poetry I’d take Brooke and especially Sassoon over Graves any day; but for his classic memoir and historical fiction Graves remains one of the giants of the 20th century.

Those books are not all Wayne’s but are tributes made to him by his devotees. No telling how many he keeps, because he keeps them cycled.

Davis is shrewd, and a much beloved University of Missouri institution.

If he took plastic, there’d not be the ceremony of Wayne Davis calculating up the tab in a ledger book with the customer’s name and date of purchase.

And his customers perhaps would not first buy five cans of tobacco and see they needed another can and a $6.95 Punch cigar to get the total up to two fifty dollar bills and three ones and get close enough Wayne could waive the four cents. If you are long, Wayne has pipe tampers and boxes of matches as change.

Each morning a volunteer drives him to his shop, another comes at noon with his meal, and another drives him home. You can sit and smoke and make a pot of coffee and watch the changing of the guard, so to speak.

When I walked in Wayne was discussing the 1942 attempt on Churchill’s life in Baltimore with another customer who also was paying in large bills. It’s not often there’s a shop where these scenes and discussions are expected.



All the while, Davis is smoking a cigar or a pipe, sometimes both.

And any young man at MU could take a date to eat at the Tiger Hotel and walk with her across the street and for a twenty dollar bill and a five dollar bill buy any flavor of GL Pease she liked to smell, and a handmade cigar, and get his name in Wayne’s ledger book.

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Wayne has a huge selection of professionally restored pipes for young ladies to buy their men at prices from $35 to $80.

She’d have room in her bills for a can of GL Pease and a cigar, too.

Wayne Davis, was not born yesterday.:)
 
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Briar Lee

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Great stories @Briar Lee you can also bite a piece off and chew it. I’m sure you’ve heard of the old timers who would chew tobacco then leave it to dry overnight and smoke it the next day. Waste not, want not.

My grandfather Eric Agee was born in 1880 and he claimed Cotton Boll Twist was unchanged since he became addicted to tobacco when he was six years old. You could (and still can) chew or smoke Cotton Boll Twist.

But one of his habits was to chew Union Standard Plug, which was a mixture of licorice and molasses and tobacco wrapped in a cigar leaf, then dry the spent cusps in a three pound Red Folger’s can in the sun and smoke those.

If I make it over the bar before heaven’s gate, I’m going out in his barn with him again and have him tell me one more time about his brother that charged up San Juan Hill.

And another brother that was gassed in WW1, and became convinced there was gold buried outside his mother’s home, and the old lady would help her son dig for it at midnight.
 

Briar Lee

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The beauty of visiting a splendidly stocked half century old Jon’s Pipe Shop franchise pipe shop in the heart of The District under the shadow of The Columns owned by an 89 year old Doctor of European history is that while you lounge and smoke and drink coffee and watch students stroll by through the enormous store length widow while Wayne Davis makes history come alive, is your wife or lady friend is free to explore all the shops downtown or pick up food at the little foreign food joints everywhere in The District.

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My wife feels so much better she’s getting her hair and nails done today while I lounge on my back deck and check the latest history videos on You Tube and read about the building of the Brooklyn Bridge.

And Drachinfel today just landed the final and fatal salvo on HMS Hood before she started to make her signaled turn by a letter from a 108 year old survivor viewing from the port side of his action station at the double quadruple Pom Pom array of HMS Prince of Wales, just behind her bridge.


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My wife wants to see the Pompei Exhibit at the St Louis Science Center

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The sudden disaster that destroyed the city also preserved a unique record of daily life at the height of the Roman Empire. Artifacts on loan from the Naples National Archaeological Museum in Italy, and the Archaeological Park of Pompeii, take visitors through a unique Roman villa and onto the winding streets of Pompeii, exploring the forum, theater and marketplace along the way.

An immersive 4-D eruption experience allows guests to experience the eruption itself. CGI imagery, surround sound and special effects bring Mount Vesuvius to life with startling reality.


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If we get up early Monday and head north to Columbia I can watch the arrival of Wayne Davis while she gets us some breakfast at First Watch and we can eat in Stephen’s Park and head East towards the Pompeii Exhibt and then eat supper by The Eads Bridge.

Or any damned place she wants to eat in St Louis, you know?

I also have a nice little set of earbuds to listen to inspirational songs on our adventures.

Will There Be Any Stars in My Crown

Cox Family Live


I read where the St. Louis Science Center gives a two dollar discount to geezers like me on Medicare and Social Security, which is always nice to be able to afford a few little luxuries like GL Pease pipe tobacco at Jon’s Pipe Shop in Columbia, you know?
 
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NookersTheCat

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And here I thought I’d be an actual thread about the tobacco…..I should’ve known😉
Lol, one time I replied to @Briar Lee about some topic... forget which thread... about 2 paragraphs. His reply to me was about 3.5 pages and I think he somehow managed to not only not address, but not even give the faintest most vague reference, to a single thing even remotely related to what I had said... let alone the topic of the thread itself (which I'm about 98% sure he was the OP of)... 😂
Doesn't mean I don't still find him one of the most witty, knowledgeable, and well-humored members here tho... 🤣;)puffy
 

NookersTheCat

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Same reason as the ropes, really. Along the way, some flavor-marrying/anaerobic fermenting side benefits were discovered and became prized, but the form is for shipping.

In colonial and early republic times, America only grew raw leaf - all manufacturing into finished product was done back in England, so the most economical weight to volume method of shipping the result back had to be used. Couple that with the fact that the vast majority of Americans took their tobacco as chew - plugs and ropes served both purposes. The general store clerk could weigh or measure you out a hunk, and it didn't really matter at all if it was easy to light up, as the chances were that wasn't your intention anyways.

This is all from Barbara Hahn's book "Making Tobacco Bright"
Great info/reference... same thing with box pressed cigars as well! It was originally done literally because boxes are... well, yanno.. shaped like boxes, not cylinders. So by compacting the cigars into the mold of one, they were able to fit a few extra in there. A byproduct was that folks found out that it tended to create (depending upon the leaf) a more consistent and fuller draw/flavor... therefore, the process remains in use to this day.
Necessity is oft the mother of invention as they say :)
 

Briar Lee

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Lol, one time I replied to @Briar Lee about some topic... forget which thread... about 2 paragraphs. His reply to me was about 3.5 pages and I think he somehow managed to not only not address, but not even give the faintest most vague reference, to a single thing even remotely related to what I had said... let alone the topic of the thread itself (which I'm about 98% sure he was the OP of)... 😂
Doesn't mean I don't still find him one of the most witty, knowledgeable, and well-humored members here tho... 🤣;)puffy

My father designed and built his Grade A milk barn in 1958 and I still have the original blueprints he had a professional draftsman render for the constructors and approval by the local AFCS Office for a twenty year government loan, my mother paid in full in 1978.

My mother was pregnant with me, the sixth pregnancy she told me about, and since she’d lost the first five, my father and Dr GW Robinson and her mother Myrtle Cahow “Ma” Agee had her on close observation.

There was some considerable doubt about my father’s foxhound Goldie successfully delivering me in a bundle to our humble cabin a half mile South of Bug Tussle Missouri (shown as Hamlet on modern GPS Google Earth maps).

But thankfully Dr GW Robinson in Dimmit Memorial Hospital performed a successful Cesarean section in late April three weeks before Goldie was expected to deliver a little bundle of joy to our doorstep, as was duly noted in Ma Agee’s weekly column in The Index at Hermitage Missouri.

I still get my Social Security deposits three weeks early thanks to that fortuitous event, although I was not, born with a caul.

From my earliest memories my mother and my grandmother had me out in that milk barn being exposed to all the luminaries and dignitaries and professors and historians and sociologists and politicians who congregated at that place to see Ma Agee and her daughter Saydee (in the Ma and Pa series in The Index) and Saydee’s little young’un, which was me.

The various Future Farmers of America chapters in the Ozarks arranged for high school students to come visit my father’s Grade A milk barn, and my mother and grandmother were there to serve refreshments, and inquire of their plans for higher education after graduation.

At that place most safe, peaceful, righteous and good, I also learned countless hymns and ballads to help me on my lifelong campaign to only serve the Master, from all my mentors.

Sing one, Steve Wood

Build my Mansion


Xxxxx

My wife just called and asked what I was doing and I said reading a wonderful book and trying out all the flavors of pipe tobacco I bought yesterday from Wayne Davis.

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And she lamented how she had to wait until 3:30 to get her hair colored and the grey removed and wondered if tomorrow we might go see the Soulard Market and The Pompeii Exhibit.

I said could we fit in a visit to Jon’s Pipe Shop in Clayton?


Wayne Davis only sells the Diplomat and Country Gentleman shapes of new Missouri Meerschaum pipes at $15.50 for the Gentleman and $16.50 for the Diplomat, because they are handy to sample English blends like GL Pease’s Westminister.

Maybe the proprietor of Jon’s Pipe Shop in Clayton has a more cosmopolitan selection, you know?

Wayne Davis can wait until Monday.

Drachinfel Origins of HMS Hood


It’s two hours and change to Clayton.

Depending on which route we take, you know? It’s possible to go through Washington Missouri.

Sing one Johnny Horton on the Ed Sullivan Show

Sink The Bismark

 
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