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Chasing Embers

Captain of the Black Frigate
Nov 12, 2014
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124,906
Ah yes, the monolithic “science and media”. I mean, I stopped believing in gravity decades ago.
When they say science is the answer, it's time to start asking questions. It's the means to one. I know people that honestly believe that this is a real image of outer space and not a representation of the data collected.

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Chasing Embers

Captain of the Black Frigate
Nov 12, 2014
46,390
124,906
At a certain point, unless you are a brilliant polymath, you either have to accept, reject, or be an informed skeptic. I choose the latter, mostly because particle science isn’t my forte.
It helps when you realize that scientists can be bought just like anyone else. It's purity has fallen to weaponization and politics.
 

Richmond B. Funkenhouser

Plebeian Supertaster
Dec 6, 2019
5,560
25,072
Dixieland
Once you realize you don't have to know all the answers to the universe you can then make the rational decison to not believe any of these people.

The fools errand is trying to make the opinions of these people part of your identity...

If you decide you "believe the science" you have to make an ass of yourself everytime these people add another few billion years to the age of the earth.

It's a trap. The people of science and the media cannot be trusted.
 

lazar

Can't Leave
May 5, 2015
491
160
Once you realize you don't have to know all the answers to the universe you can then make the rational decison to not believe any of these people.

The fools errand is trying to make the opinions of these people part of your identity...

If you decide you "believe the science" you have to make an ass of yourself everytime these people add another few billion years to the age of the earth.

It's a trap. The people of science and the media cannot be trusted.
That seems to be a misunderstanding of "science". No serious scientist thinks they have "all the answers to the universe" and that the current theories about it won't change. It's an ever-evolving process of accumulating data and theorizing based on the best available data, and by consensus with other qualified scientists. But it's always subject to change and modification. Look at how perspectives on Einstein's theories have changed over the decades.
 

Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
6,036
19,308
Humansville Missouri
Our seventh grade teacher Miss Charlotte had us all do a report on how to build a Giza size pyramid in Humansville Missouri.

And that completely cured any notions we might have otherwise had about pyramidology

Pyramidology - Wikipedia - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramidology

And no doubt had us all grateful for Caterpillar bulldozers.:)


33 little hillbillies learned a lifelong lesson sitting inside a WPA schoolhouse how building any pyramid takes lots of capital and organization and most of all, incentive.

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woodsroad

Lifer
Oct 10, 2013
13,753
25,676
SE PA USA
Science has always been political. It has always been corrupted by money. The same goes for all of human existence. Anything that involves people is, by it’s very nature, political. To think that Science somehow exists in a vacuum, a btilliant bastion of truth, unpolluted by the vagaries of human nature, shows a severe lack of awareness.

My father was a scientist and researcher, starting in WWII, studying methods for culturing anaerobic bacteria (like what would be encountered after battlefield injuries). I remember him lamenting how politics drove research funding, and how corporate and government grant money, not the need or the basic thirst for knowledge and understanding, drove scientific academia. So this is nothing new.

There is still lots of essential basic science research going on, unfettered by politics and money, but most of it rides on the coatails of large grants and other funding with political underpinnings.
 
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B.Lew

Part of the Furniture Now
Jun 24, 2020
637
8,479
SE Michigan
Science has always been political. It has always been corrupted by money. The same goes for all of human existence. Anything that involves people is, by it’s very nature, political. To think that Science somehow exists in a vacuum, a btilliant bastion of truth, unpolluted by the vagaries of human nature, shows a severe lack of awareness.
Here I sit, dumbfounded. To think, Woodsroad has the most succinct, coherent statement. Here I was thinking all he could do was make me laugh with his rhetoric. I’ve just checked my therapist schedule and blocked out an afternoon session.

My worldview has officially been shifted. But seriously, well put old man, well put.
 

Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
6,036
19,308
Humansville Missouri
Miss Charlotte lined up sacred cows and had us, not her, slaughter them.

There were children in the class whose families had told them the earth was flat and six thousand years old, and countless other superstitions such as homeopathy and astrology and palm reading and tarot cards and Ouija boards.

In Humansville, the Seventh Grade was in one classroom in the high school building with accesss to the high school library.

Miss Charlotte today would have been fired her first year teaching.

She would have fired then except she’d been runner up Miss Missouri and was married to a war hero Superintendent and protected by my father and all his buddies on the school board who were all members of Christian Church and wanted as many of us who were able to go on to college.

The problem with the socratic method of teaching science is that the ignorant and superstitious are deeply offended by their children not continuing their ignorance.