It's a Middleton Cherry MATCH at P&C. Might be worth a look.
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Oh okay you got me excited. Yeah I already have tried it from there, Milan, and WV.. none come close imo. Usually because they just try spraying chopped burley with generic cherry flavor. From what I've read their flavoring was not only patented but also not based on cherries at all, rather the blend was named after Cherry Street in Philadelphia just like Walnut.It's a Middleton Cherry MATCH at P&C. Might be worth a look.
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Either way... Luckily they still at least make the Black & Mild type cigars filled with it for those who weren't as fortunate enough as me to secure a final stash of pouches.
Ah, I've seen speculation that Black & Milds are made with Carter Hall so that makes sense. So most of their business is blunt wraps lol. It's a shame Walnut wasn't released to cash in on Oppenheimer, but it was an English blend so pretty far from everything Middleton currently produces. From what I understand PA and CH have both been so enshittified that they're basically already gone.
That's my plan
Never heard of it.
I have 25 pounds of Buoy Gold in stock and 25 more on the way.
That’s only about $260 worth, times two, in 2025 dollars.
To complicate the business model of STG, they buy leaf for $2 a pound and sell it for a retail of $40, but little warehouses in North Carolina can and do buy it for $2 and sell it for a retail of $10.
And the cost to raise 25 pounds in a small garden is $3.50.
Remember the lectures about the buggy whip manufacturers?
What killed them was lack of demand.
My Amish pasture renter’s father has a modern, well equipped harness shop.
It’s a magnificent place to hang around.
He takes a few dollars worth of leather and makes $700 worth of buggy harness for other Amish.
I asked him about new buggy whips, and he said the Amish don’t use them very much.
I asked why, and he said if the horse needs whipped in order to go, how could you trust it on the highway, around all those cars? It would be like a riding horse you needed spurs to ride.
A horse like that, needs put out to pasture.
We won’t live to see it, but over time tobacco will be a curiosity.
That’s only about $260 worth, times two, in 2025 dollars.
To complicate the business model of STG, they buy leaf for $2 a pound and sell it for a retail of $40, but little warehouses in North Carolina can and do buy it for $2 and sell it for a retail of $10.
And the cost to raise 25 pounds in a small garden is $3.50.
Remember the lectures about the buggy whip manufacturers?
What killed them was lack of demand.
My Amish pasture renter’s father has a modern, well equipped harness shop.
It’s a magnificent place to hang around.
He takes a few dollars worth of leather and makes $700 worth of buggy harness for other Amish.
I asked him about new buggy whips, and he said the Amish don’t use them very much.
I asked why, and he said if the horse needs whipped in order to go, how could you trust it on the highway, around all those cars? It would be like a riding horse you needed spurs to ride.
A horse like that, needs put out to pasture.
We won’t live to see it, but over time tobacco will be a curiosity.
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Yeah as of a month ago this is Middleton's official product line. Notice how they group the Cherry cigars in with the pipe tobaccos... if it doesn't literally carry the "Black & Mild" name it's considered a legacy product by them, meaning days are probably numbered.
Middleton's Official Product List 12/24
Personally I love B&M Original wood tips and the cherry plastics for when I'm on the go, ski slopes, etc. but I know there are others with far more refined palates than mine who shudder at this lol... I probably don't deserve all the nice old Balkans and Red Virginia's in my own cellar I'm sure they'd say...
In my past work life, a supplier transitioning to SAP was a guarantee that we would sell less of their product, and make less profit on the product we did sell. SAP seems to require that a producer homogenizes their sales policies— leading to a focus on selling through mass merchants. At least that was the way it trended in the gun business.
I saw your post about this blend in another thread, I'm def gonna throw a bag in for a try next time... there's already a few "RYO" blends I've put back just to have an apocalypse stash.I have 25 pounds of Buoy Gold in stock and 25 more on the way.
That’s only about $260 worth, in 2025 dollars.
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We won’t live to see it, but over time tobacco will be a curiosity.
And agreed, I think we're watching a very slow miserable and drawn out death cycle. The problem is when normal things become "niche" they are able to be easily taken up by cottage industry but with all the regulations around this substance that will never happen in a meaningful, quality way. I can pretty much guarantee we're never gonna see somebody steaming their own black cavendish and selling it on Etsy lmao
And that's the really funny part about (getting back to) the main thread topic... along with that Big Apple Pipes interview Leonard just did... he basically acknowledges all of this. That the older pipe smokers are smoking 1 blend (usually Capt Black) and have been forever and will be til they're laid down... while the newer/younger smokers are very much into exploring variety and small batch/higher quality/rarer varietals etc... yet after explicitly stating all this he then completely flies in the face of it when he explains how their strategy going forward is to cater to the former while torching their facility/market that catered to the latter.
Like I've said before, I believe Sutliff could have been pared down but kept and focused on this new craft market (barring serious crackdown from the FDA in which case C&D etc. will be just as affected). I think we would have happily paid any increased price and shouldered a *reasonable* amount of blend discontinuation. The only logical conclusion I can make from what they've done however, is that they assume they're gonna be able to strong arm the new generation into the same corale as the old... well, time will tell...
The joke was, “Well, you’ll always have Middleton Cherry” in reference to the tobaccopalypse, because most of us hated it. HU Cherry Sorrano is (was?) a cherry blend that didn’t taste like cough syrup.
SAP is a business system; one must adapt their business to SAP from the ground up, not the other way around. Most businesses seem to implement it as though it is just another data base, and things go awry pretty quickly.
Furthermore, SAP is the most UN-intuitive program I have ever had to deal with. Unless the end user is very well trained, it quickly becomes troublesome and extremely frustrating to use.
+1 to everything stated. We beta-tested and eventually implemented their Campus Management module at a former gig and all I can say is what an absolute piece of shit. Universities aren't traditional businesses and SAP doesn't have a f@*king clue how they should operate. The best run businesses run from SAP!