For sure.
There's no debate there... Those having that debate are numbskulls.
It's like saying a 1911 is as good as a Glock... Total nonsense.
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For sure.
There's no debate there... Those having that debate are numbskulls.
It's like saying a 1911 is as good as a Glock... Total nonsense.
I don't own a plastic AR, either lower or upper, and really don't see a compelling reason to, or not to, get one. My hesitation would be with PSA. I ordered a 300BO upper from them a few years ago and it wasn't concentric. Almost wrecked a suppressor. Ended up just polishing the edge of the baffles, but another couple of thousandths would have meant having to make new baffles. Either way, it didn't shoot worth poo.
The Pipes and Cigars of the gun world... I've had good and bad dealings with 'em.
I'll tell anyone who will listen to stay away from their AAC ammo.
Had a case of 9mm from them with all kinds of problems.
I’ll take the 1911 any day…you can have all the glocks you want.
Now get off my lawn.
Poly receivered AR’s have been around for decades. The weak point has always been the wallering out of the hammer pin (not as big of a deal if lower accepts a modern cartridge trigger group.
Would I invest in one, no.
Would I own it off given to me, sure. I always can use trade fodder.
Would I invest in one, no.
Would I own it off given to me, sure. I always can use trade fodder.
Sing one, Pershing’s Own United States Army Band!
The ancient Scottish cult of the Congregationalist Christian Church (one of many names for us) knows and recognizes no earthly saints nor bishops or priests but if we did, it would be Saint Alvin Cullum York.
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Our mothers name us, after their entire lifetime of consideration up to the moment we are born, so we are always intensely, enormously aware of the sacred duty we bear to always be in the van or hind guard protecting others.
My lectures on the 1911 were from a stone, cold atheist friend named Richard (friend of Heckathorn and Cooper) but my lectures on the merits of the Armalite Rifle Platform come from Rod Gates of Jordan, a mighty fine Christian boy who lives near Jordan, in the greater Cross Timbers Metroplex, Hickory County, Missouri, USA.
At the age of 75 he still moves like a cat.
Rod can play all up and down the neck of his Martin and knows every song I do including Country Hall of Fame and can name and identify all the noble personages contained in that hymn:
Rod Gate's mother was a school teacher and his father a Congregationalist minister and second generation gunsmith and Rod Gates is the third generation to earn his family a living as a gunsmith in a tiny shop at the military crest of a high hilltop in the wildwoods there, where he gave away his possessions to his future wife, mother, father, brother, and grandparents before he volunteered as——
A point man for a Special Operations Group Squadron in Southeast Asia
And after two tours and two Silver Stars (but no Purple Hearts) he went back to Jordan and obtained a degree at the Rolla School of Mines and was Deputy Sheriff under Sheriff Verle Kennedy during the same time I was Assistant Prosecutor under John Parks along with now retired Governor Mike Parson, then a fellow deputy—-
Plus he nearly died when Miss Charlotte got married.
So friends. when I have any questions whatsoever about the Armalite Rifle platform, I take one of my children or a friend down to Jordan as a witness, and get Rod all wound up telling stories of the many duels he won with other children of God who were unfortunately armed with AKs by their Godless Communist overlords.
But I have to supply the AR.
Rod will not shoot or work on a gun that he needs anything but a flat screwdriver.
Rod doesn’t own a Phillips screwdriver.
Or so he says.
After a couple of hours of Gates war stories I call our friend J.C. over so we can mosey on over to the grave of RW Ray to teach my guest other lessons of our church.
You have to get passed locked gates to see this, and JC has the key.
JW Ray only took one sip of bad moonshine and he died not naming who gave it to him.
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My grandmother said after Guy Howard understood she would kill him first, Guy Howard was a decent storyteller around impressionable young’uns.
When Rod Gates of Jordan explains why an AR is better than an AK, he’s been there.
A man whose great grandfather named the hamlet of Jordan will refuse to lie about such matters.
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There are times that I think they're cool, but then I will shoot friends' when at the range and then wonder what I was thinking.
I'm a wood stock and blued steel guy.
I have nothing whatsoever against someone owning whatever gun they want, but they're not for me. It would just sit in the safe and be lonely. lol
I'm a wood stock and blued steel guy.
I have nothing whatsoever against someone owning whatever gun they want, but they're not for me. It would just sit in the safe and be lonely. lol
I used to think the same thing.
My youngest son sold a Pre Woodsman Colt at a gun show and brought me home a Red Star upper and twice the cash I wanted for the Colt.
If you really love firearms, you should own any Armalite Rifle platform, at least once.
When my friend Rod Gates of Jordan tells hours of war stories winning countless face to face duels with the best infantry weapon ever devised for a free world nation you can take one all apart and teach yourself why.
Kalashnikov designed a weapon for slaves under the control of officers.
Stoner made one for a hillbilly boy from Jordan.
Jordan has excellent roads supplying it.
Buy one, take it all apart and put it back together, and you’ll realize all you need is to occasionally pick up more ammo from a drop zone.
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Brad has the right idea with the 9mm short AR.
You shoot one of those 7.5 inch 556 guns off in your house and the blast might just kill you. You'll at least be blind and deaf.
I own one that has an aluminum upper and lower... And it's uncomfortable to shoot, even with ear plugs.
You shoot one of those 7.5 inch 556 guns off in your house and the blast might just kill you. You'll at least be blind and deaf.
I own one that has an aluminum upper and lower... And it's uncomfortable to shoot, even with ear plugs.
The entire problem of using a 9mm AR inside a house in short article.
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A reader shares his story of a 1965 Browning Sweet 16. He still uses it to shoot clays and hunt for pheasants, chukar, dove and quail.
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My home defense gun is my Daddy’s Sweet 16 I watched him trade two wagons of corn and a started bird dog pup and a lease for a friend of his named Dino in Spout Spring Hollow to feed out the hogs.
Daddy gave me that gun when I was ten in 1968.
And I keep four shells in the magazine and the box handy in case somebody might break in.
My wife is sick and I’m retired, and I warned them to just leave us alone.
Now, give me your story about your plastic 9mm people shooter.
The entire problem of using a 9mm AR inside a house in short article.
Blast From the Past: Browning Auto 5 Sweet 16 | Field & Stre
A reader shares his story of a 1965 Browning Sweet 16. He still uses it to shoot clays and hunt for pheasants, chukar, dove and quail.
My home defense gun is my Daddy’s Sweet 16 I watched him trade two wagons of corn and a started bird dog pup and a lease for a friend of his named Dino in Spout Spring Hollow to feed out the hogs.
Daddy gave me that gun when I was ten in 1968.
And I keep four shells in the magazine and the box handy in case somebody might break in.
My wife is sick and I’m retired, and I warned them to just leave us alone.
Now, give me your story about your plastic 9mm people shooter.
You know I'm just getting to the age that I realize the sentimental value of firearms.
Years ago I traded some valuable old guns that my grandfather left me... I had no idea of the value, sentimental or otherwise.
It still burns when I think about it.
Using a very sentimental automatic shotgun shell hose inside your own house against intruders who refuse to leave you and your family alone means never having to explain why you kept the deadliest weapon system ever devised for the soldiers of a free nation loaded around your kids.
For maybe a hundred years they’ve let mothers of children on juries.
A Browning Automatic shotgun with a speed loading lifter with four shells in the magazine (for safety) stored under your bed or in a closet means if you can get to it, then you can stop 25 bad guys who picked the wrong home to invade.
Using a very sentimental automatic shotgun shell hose inside your own house against intruders who refuse to leave you and your family alone means never having to explain why you kept the deadliest weapon system ever devised for the soldiers of a free nation loaded around your kids.
For maybe a hundred years they’ve let mothers of children on juries.
A Browning Automatic shotgun with a speed loading lifter with four shells in the magazine (for safety) stored under your bed or in a closet means if you can get to it, then you can stop 25 bad guys who picked the wrong home to invade.
I don't spend my time trying to justify the day I may have to shoot somebody.
I hope that day never comes. If it does come, it'll be a life or death situation.
I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.
How they'll judge me is not my concern... I lost faith in our justice system a long time ago.
When I was a prison guard in a work release center between college and law school, I’d sit around with criminals teaching them the basics of neat and well groomed appearance, saying sir and ma’am and mister, applying for jobs, housing, bank accounts and credit and I just had ball for a semester and a summer.
And these criminals would tell their stories about all their property crimes in the hood, and they were hilarious.
And I asked a group, you steal things in an area of the city that’s very poor. Why don’t you go outside the city and steal things in nice, wealthy areas?
They alll laughed and said all you farm boys have shotguns and mean dogs and can shoot!.
Criminals are utterly terrified of shotguns.
There’s good reason they call it a -riot- shotgun.
There’s no missing involved. No need for a double or triple tap. And with an Auto Five (post 52) you keep slapping shells in the bottom until you’ve ran out of intruders.
Plus you get to sharpen up and stay in practice shooting clays and birds.
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It's a good idea in theory. There's plenty of non AR-15 polymer lowers and even some polymer uppers in rifles. The parts that really matter are still metal and you get a lighter, hopefully, cheaper rifle. That said I'm kind of skeptical that it's worth the tradeoffs at the end of the day. Reliability is still a concern and long term parts wear is another. The weight balance of the gun could also be a bit wonky with the front end being heavier due to the barrel. And from everything I've seen it's not so cheap or so lightweight that it's offsetting the loss of milspec metal.
For example compared to a Blem PSA PA-15 you're saving about a hundred bucks and maybe two pounds of weight. That's certainly not nothing, especially the weight, but is worth it? Personally I don't think so.
For example compared to a Blem PSA PA-15 you're saving about a hundred bucks and maybe two pounds of weight. That's certainly not nothing, especially the weight, but is worth it? Personally I don't think so.
No, no,no.
That's his weapon of choice for when he's committing home invasions.
He has it suppressed for home defence situations..
Went to a gun show last month, some time after realizing that I had been nurturing a hankering for my very first flintlock long-rifle. There was only one there, a T-C about the size of a Hawken. But between the short barrel length and the fact that it had a plastic stock, I found myself leaving it behind.
If anything should become our "national rifle," it should be the Pennsylvania-Kentucky pattern rifle, not the Mattel and its descendants.
If anything should become our "national rifle," it should be the Pennsylvania-Kentucky pattern rifle, not the Mattel and its descendants.
Former point man for two tours in Southeast Asia of a Special Operations Group Squadron with Two Silver Stars and No Purple Hearts Rod Gates of Jordan
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Ten thousand dollar muzzleloaders
Or whatever grade you want to pay for muzzleloaders
In his tiny shop on the military crest of a high hill in the wild woods near the ancient hamlet of Jordan.
And he claims to not own a Phillips screwdriver.
I keep looking for one in his shop and haven’t found it, yet.
I only had two weapons malfunctions in combat.The first one was in Baghdad, reacting to contact when a sniper took some shots at our COP entry control point while I was Sergeant of the Guard on a non patrol day. I was shooting an M4, and I had a real bitch of a double feed coming out of a reload (bad magazine). Never pulled out my gerber so fast and smooth in my life, and whipped the stuck rounds right out and got a fresh mag in. It was truly one of those slow-mo moments.
I ditched that bad magazine, and ended up privately purchasing (for a pretty penny mind you) a bunch of HK steel, sand resistant mags.
The second was in Afghanistan, playing escort for a military working dog and his handler. We were looking for weapons caches and the like. That tour, I was a designated marksman, so my primary was an m14 EBR, but I also had an m9 that I carried all the time.
We were working through this little village, and I had to keep the local dogs from getting aggressive with our dog.
Those who know, you know...but for everyone else, the dogs in Afghanistan are ****ing enormous, aggressive, and make a 90lb German shepherd look like a little wimp. So, we'd have to tell the village elder to tell everyone to lock up their dogs, or when their giant sage kuchi dogs would get too close I'd have to shoot them.
Sure enough, this badass 200lb dog popped up out of nowhere and was making a beeline for Nero (our dog). I shot him three times, and then had a failure to feed. Actioned it, and shot him again and had another failure to feed. Problem was, (you guessed it), bad magazine spring. I kept those magazines pristine as could be, because sand, but it didn't matter. Those issued magazines were clapped long before they made their way to me. After that patrol, I went to our supply sergeant and traded him a listerine bottle full of old crow for 5 brand new magazines, fresh out of the box. I still have 4 of them today.
"What's the point?" I'm glad you asked. The point is, that your polymer firearm, if manufactured within the last decade, is probably more reliable than the shooter who carries it. The mags though, you gotta keep an eye on them som besths, or they'll let you down.
I ditched that bad magazine, and ended up privately purchasing (for a pretty penny mind you) a bunch of HK steel, sand resistant mags.
The second was in Afghanistan, playing escort for a military working dog and his handler. We were looking for weapons caches and the like. That tour, I was a designated marksman, so my primary was an m14 EBR, but I also had an m9 that I carried all the time.
We were working through this little village, and I had to keep the local dogs from getting aggressive with our dog.
Those who know, you know...but for everyone else, the dogs in Afghanistan are ****ing enormous, aggressive, and make a 90lb German shepherd look like a little wimp. So, we'd have to tell the village elder to tell everyone to lock up their dogs, or when their giant sage kuchi dogs would get too close I'd have to shoot them.
Sure enough, this badass 200lb dog popped up out of nowhere and was making a beeline for Nero (our dog). I shot him three times, and then had a failure to feed. Actioned it, and shot him again and had another failure to feed. Problem was, (you guessed it), bad magazine spring. I kept those magazines pristine as could be, because sand, but it didn't matter. Those issued magazines were clapped long before they made their way to me. After that patrol, I went to our supply sergeant and traded him a listerine bottle full of old crow for 5 brand new magazines, fresh out of the box. I still have 4 of them today.
"What's the point?" I'm glad you asked. The point is, that your polymer firearm, if manufactured within the last decade, is probably more reliable than the shooter who carries it. The mags though, you gotta keep an eye on them som besths, or they'll let you down.