Plants Used To Be Built In USA
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I seriously doubt any regulations were ever enacted to "level" a "playing field." They are enacted to provide an advantage to one side or the other. Or, perhaps jobs for the regulating agency. But, fairness? Never!
And, no ... I do not believe I'm too cynical.
Won’t dispute the inherent evilness here, but this is the heart of free enterprise, i. e. supply and demand.
Labor supply down equals wages up, labor supply up equals wages down.
Unfortunately, for when the balance tips, sometimes people starve or are left to die, if left totally unregulated. Most folks take up arms before they'll let their kids die. When the equation has people in it, it's no longer just numbers.
Same. Quality = value for $$ spent. I'd much rather have one well made item that will last than 5-6 cheaply made versions that don't last. I'm in a very small minority.Generally, I’ll forgo spending (in general) so I have funds to purchase good quality products, such as Oshkosh tools.
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Yes, I agree.
I’ve been up and I’ve been down and nearly out.
It is a scary reality, but we are more on our own here than is morally defensible.
I would change this if I were King, not sure how, but since there is little chance of me being King I’ll defer coming up with a solution for now.
There are numbers of issues of trade policy, labor policy, international relations, and so many more. But part of this is the unintended consequences of developing incredible jet aircraft, container ships, a whole global transport system that makes the displacement of manufacture inevitable and irresistible. So we buy a stainless steel ladle at Walmart for $6.79 that would cost $35 made in the USA. It's hard to even find clothes made in the US. There is a local denim shop that makes great jeans and jackets that fit better than most brands, but it is $200 a pop for a pair of jeans. I wore Levis years ago, looked pretty good, but no room for the male anatomy, and I am not claiming any oversize parts. Using a NASA crawler to move prefab plant units off a ship is a staggering idea. Getting it off the ship alone!
I had to look up Oshkosh tools, because i had just never heard of them. Are you a lumberjack? The only tool I saw that I would have any use for was the shovel, and I have been using the same $10 shovel hard for 30 years now. But, I like how the website says prominently "World Best Tools." That's good marketing.Generally, I’ll forgo spending (in general) so I have funds to purchase good quality products, such as Oshkosh tools.
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IDK, some tools I've just never worried about breaking. My neighbor was trying to tell me that I needed a $120 hammer, but my $6 hammer has lasted me a loooooong time now, and even if I had to replace it every other year, it'd take 40 years to even out with the better version. Some tools are just so cheap that going through dozens of them a year would still be cheaper.
In general, I agree. What's happening to many jobs here in the last 40 years was happening much faster and more widely in Animation. The rest of you are just catching up. Nobody gave a crap as long as they could buy 4 TVs cheaply.
I don't know that we would have no anything without China or other overseas labor markets, but we would certainly have either less, or the same at higher prices to support higher costs.
People just don't make the connection that you can't have your cake and eat it too.
Back in the '80's, the phrase "work smarter, not harder" became a popular mantra among the up and coming bright young things in management. I knew immediately that the world would eat our lunch with such imbecilisms guiding us. You want to stay ahead? Work smarter AND harder.
So you prefer Socialism or Communism over Capitalism? Don't want to be a delivery boy and deal with delivery boy types of issues? Go to school or learn a trade. Be an entrepreneur and open your own business. Develop a marketable skill set that creates a demand for yourself. You still have freedom in this country, the freedom to do well or the freedom to accept mediocrity.
Regulations? You want more regulations like the ones that don't allow us to smoke in a bar? Or maybe more taxes for tobacco? How about some regulations to eliminate internet shipments of tobacco to your state? Are those the type of regulations you are wanting?
Understand it is essentially a zero sum game. Pay that delivery guy $3 and someone or some people have to pay more for the service to make up for it. There's no free ride.
I agree with most of this, BUT there are various ways to practice capitalism and socialism. I'm an enthusiastic capitalist, partnering in building houses and making construction loans besides my work bee career for various studios. But setting aside all the political bullshit, dog whistles, and lies, all socialism means is that employees own the companies they work in. Don't believe me? Look it up for yourself insted of being forcefed a lot of distortions.
One of my favorite pizza places is Zachary's in Oakland. The owner sold it to his employees when he decided to retire. The employees run the business and let me tell you, the product is superb, service is superb, and everyone gives their all because they have a stake in the business.
One of my favorite Supermarkets is located in the Central Valley, hardly a bastion of leftist dogma, and it's owned wholly by its employees. You've never seen a cleaner, better stocked, more customer service oriented store. Those employees have a stake in their company.
Reality is more nuanced and complex than sound bites.
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I worked in Russia for a joint venture. Many an old Communist informed me that "capitalism" (black marketeering), was the only reason the USSR lasted as long as it did. The Communist party leaders understood they couldn't deliver the goods and if the generaql population didn't get what they needed ... well, the consequences would be dire to the Party and its leaders. Ergo, the "black market" was protected to a degree and encouraged.
As "sable" points out there are employee owned business that are successful. The obverse? There are employee owned businesses which have gone under. Employee owned business are no more protected from the consequences of "bad" management than "mom and pops" or publicly traded conglomerates.
As "sable" points out there are employee owned business that are successful. The obverse? There are employee owned businesses which have gone under. Employee owned business are no more protected from the consequences of "bad" management than "mom and pops" or publicly traded conglomerates.
Aight, if we are going to start labelling... how about giving car factories free land (paid for by the people) with tax free status to get them to build a plant. None of the existing state businesses get those types of incentives. And, that deal stinks of socialism also.
And, mixing up labor laws with tobacco laws is ridiculous.
And, taking one statement made by a friend and calling him a communist is rather low, IMO.
Where did I call anyone a Communist? And what you describes sounds like a business deal to me, not Socialism. Regulations are regulations, generally, they take away freedom of choice.
The way business deals like that work here is someone sees your land and thinks, “that would be a good place to put a factory.” So, the government runs you off farmland that has been in your family for generations and generations. You HAVE to leave. Then they offer you 3/4ths its value, and if you fight that, you get less, with some being forced off their land for nothing. It happens here. Then, when the deal is made that 3/4ths value is eaten up by lawyers and politicians, gobble gobble gobble, then you’re lucky to get a fourth.
Then that land, paid for with taxpayer’s money is given for free to a corporation. Some business deal. Capitalism?
We don’t have Democrats down here, so the arguments down here are GOP v GOP.
Considering the state of the world in general at the moment and the dysfunctional mood of the country specifically, then add in that this IS November 2, it actually is going quite well.
A testament to the general civility of these boards.
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There is plenty still manufactured in the US. We just need to learn to change with the times. Stop putting money towards coal and oil and learn to update and adapt
I had to look up Oshkosh tools, because i had just never heard of them. Are you a lumberjack? The only tool I saw that I would have any use for was the shovel, and I have been using the same $10 shovel hard for 30 years now. But, I like how the website says prominently "World Best Tools." That's good marketing.
Have a 20 acre farm-ette. Set a good amount of posts, usually dozen or so trees need cut up for fire wood or locust posts. Since I drive truck, the few days I have free, I like to use a good quality tool. Also good to know in most cases, the’ll perform well when I go to use them.
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