Pipe Tobacco Additives.

[hoipolloiglasgow]

I disagree unless its a drugstore blend. Much of it is a spirit(carrier), spices (like tonquin for an English blend) or, vanilla, cocoa, ginger, rose water, cinnamon-things to bring out the natural tobaccos. No, real pipe tobacco is not a chemical bomb. Gawith and C&D explain this. Yes PG is an additive they use. Even hand-rolled cigars have natural processing. This all started with a way to keep tobacco moist and stable on ships for long voyages, casing them in spirits and spices.

 

[woodsroad]

Here are three pages of a 1989 11 page document from British American Tobacco, listing the flavors used in processing tobacco. Note that differentiation is not made between finished products on this list, so this could apply to cigarettes as well as pipe tobacco. This is just the flavorings. Other ingredients may be added.

 

[LeafErikson]

Well, okay maybe not the vast majority of cheap ones that constitute a larger number. But C&D, MacBaren, Peterson, Germains, and Gawith do not taste artificial to me. I believe they are doing it the old way.

I think c&d and Gawith are known for using natural additives when possible. Mac Baren and Peterson? I’m not sure about Peterson but Mac Baren almost certainly uses artificial additives. I remember Mac Barens ingredient list was posted on some German site a while ago and there were lots of additives in the blends.

 

[hoipolloiglasgow]

With things like artifical grape and artificial maple, things that make tobacco taste good, it's not surprising. Also artificial Marlboro flavoring haha. Sounds like cheap drug store brands and cigarettes. Even Jeremy Reeves said for their "Button Nose" blend they let marshmallows sit in high proof vodka combined with cocoa to get the flavoring. Thats an aromatic blend. You never know what cigarettes and cheap drugstore brands will do though. There are a lot of plum/raisens and chocolate flavorings in cigarettes.

 

[woodsroad]

I will try and post some more info later on on processing and flavoring in pipe tobacco that was made public as part of The Tobacco Settlement in the US.

 

[hoipolloiglasgow]

There is no doubt that raw tobacco is harsh and almost unpalatable when fresh.

 

[Sig]

Cigar tobacco is generally the least messed with.
Cigarette tobacco is generally lower quality tobacco that has a bunch of chemicals added after drying and curing. Things like "nicotine delivery systems" as they are called are chemicals, such as formaldehyde to hurry the process of getting nicotine into your system. They also use chemicals to help eliminate the nicotine quickly from your system, so you want another cigarette sooner. Also other addictive chemicals to, well, get you addicted to cigarettes. This is why pipe smokers can go longer between smokes than cig smokers.
99.9% of pipe tobacco is cased.
This does not add flavoring, it just makes the tobacco homogenous and takes the rough edges off. Then many times its topped with a flavoring, from very mild to Captain Black.
Most cigar tobacco is just dried and cured, then rolled.

 

[woodsroad]

Cigar tobacco is generally the least messed with.
Cigarette tobacco is generally lower quality tobacco that has a bunch of chemicals added after drying and curing. Things like "nicotine delivery systems" as they are called are chemicals, such as formaldehyde to hurry the process of getting nicotine into your system. They also use chemicals to help eliminate the nicotine quickly from your system, so you want another cigarette sooner. Also other addictive chemicals to, well, get you addicted to cigarettes. This is why pipe smokers can go longer between smokes than cig smokers.
99.9% of pipe tobacco is cased.
This does not add flavoring, it just makes the tobacco homogenous and takes the rough edges off. Then many times its topped with a flavoring, from very mild to Captain Black.
Most cigar tobacco is just dried and cured, then rolled.

There are an awful lot of cigars sold that are flavored, have a reconstituted wraper and binder and are made with shredded tobacco that contains…what? I don’t know the sales figures, but these kinds of cigars make up a significant proportion of the market.

 

[prairiedruid]

I remember when several people here were involved in the effort to bring back WarHorse Bar and they sent some of the old original that they found to a lab. A lot of strange things but no horse shit.......supposedly.

 

[Sig]

There are an awful lot of cigars sold that are flavored, have a reconstituted wraper and binder and are made with shredded tobacco that contains…what? I don’t know the sales figures, but these kinds of cigars make up a significant proportion of the market.

I should have said "premium" cigars.....Macanudo, Partagas, Montecristo, Rocky Patel, Padron........
Most of the machine made cigars have paper wrappers made to look like tobacco. And yes, some companies like Acid, Drew Estate.....have flavored cigars. But for the most part, they are just unadulterated tobacco leaves.
Cigar tobacco is grown way differently than cigarette and pipe tobacco.
The leaves must be grown thick and strong, with thin veins. Many cigar leaf tobaccos have been "custom" bred for these characteristics.

 

[yohanan]

I remember when several people here were involved in the effort to bring back WarHorse Bar and they sent some of the old original that they found to a lab. A lot of strange things but no horse shit.......supposedly.

Contrary to popular belief, Warhorse Green actually contained Horseshit at one time, it was a natural and necessary unadulterated additive to provide the full and smooth flavor that pipe smokers demanded. YMMV.

 

[warren]

This is why pipe smokers can go longer between smokes than cig smokers.

Really? I must be the exception which proves your "rule."

 

[Chasing Embers]

How do tobacco leaves for pipe tobacco differ from tobacco used in cigarettes?

They don't. Buyers of tobacco lots process them for their needs. Most is grown for cigarettes and chewing tobacco but the pipe industry benefits from the yield. Each company then modifies the tobacco for the intended purpose.

 

[sardonicus87]

Every time I see War Horse mentioned, this pops in my head, and I have one tin each of Bar and Green, and I image this also is how I'll look when I get around to trying it:

 

[gord]

Just my personal view (I don't need hate mail) but smoking over the counter cigarettes is the highest example of foolishness,

There are several independent research papers available on line that concluded that cigarette smokers had far fewer cases of covid than non-smokers. (But I didn't write this comment because I don't need hate mail either lol)

 

[slippery pete]

mI can tell you that pipe tobacco for the oldest US tobacco house comes in thousand-pound bales of dry leaf without any of that stuff added. It is then rehydrated in their primary and cased or topped post-blending, depending upon the blend they are making. It does not have any of the cigarette tobacco process yet when they receive it.

obviously you work in the industry my question will tell you how new I am but I like the mac baren's so far are they the oldest or using the same methods

 

[crashthegrey]

obviously you work in the industry my question will tell you how new I am but I like the mac baren's so far are they the oldest or using the same methods

MacBaren owns Sutliff. They acquired Sutliff because of their similar practices and a more storied history between them over the years. So yes, MacBaren and Sutliff have some very similar practices and are both very old tobacco companies.

 

[crashthegrey]

obviously you work in the industry my question will tell you how new I am but I like the mac baren's so far are they the oldest or using the same methods

And I work in the pipe industry, I just have a lot of friends in the tobacco side of the industry.