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alaskanpiper

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Kesey
“You know, like ‘He Who Marches Out Of Step Hears Another Drum’” - but it’s too late. The first resident turns on him after setting down his cup of coffee and reaching in his pocket for a pipe big as your fist.
“Frankly, Alvin,” he says to the third boy, “I’m disappointed in you. Even if one hadn’t read his history all one should need to do is pay attention to his behavior on the ward to realize how absurd the suggestion is. This man is not only very very sick, but I believe he is definitely a Potential Assaultive. I think that is what Miss Ratched was suspecting when she called this meeting. Don’t you recognize the arch type of psychopath? I’ve never heard of a clearer case. This man is a Napoleon, a Genghis Khan, Attila the Hun.”
Another one joins in. He remembers the nurse’s comments about Disturbed. “Robert’s right, Alvin. Didn’t you see the way the man acted out there today? When one of his schemes was thwarted he was up out of his chair, on the verge of violence. You tell us, Doctor Spivey, what do his records say about violence?”
“There is a marked disregard for discipline and authority,” the doctor says.
“Right. His history shows, Alvin, that time and again he has acted out his hostilities against authority figures - in school, in the service, in jail! And I think that his performance after the voting furor today is as conclusive an indication as we can have of what to expect in the future.” He stops and frowns into his pipe, puts it back in his mouth, and strikes a match and sucks the flame into the bowl with a loud popping sound. When it’s lit he sneaks a look up through the yellow cloud of smoke at the Big Nurse; he must take her silence as agreement because he goes on, more enthusiastic and certain than before.
“Pause for a minute and imagine, Alvin,” he says, his words cottony with smoke, “imagine what will happen to one of us when we’re alone in Individual Therapy with Mr. McMurphy. Imagine you are approaching a particularly painful breakthrough and he decides he’s just had all he can take of your - how would he put it? - your ‘damn fool collitch-kid
pryin’!’ You tell him he mustn’t get hostile and he says ‘to hell with that,’ and tell him to calm down, in an authoritarian voice, of course, and here he comes, all two hundred and ten red-headed psychopathic Irishman pounds of him, right across the interviewing table at you. Are you - are any of us, for that matter - prepared to deal with Mr. McMurphy when these moments arise?”
He puts his size-ten pipe back in the corner of his mouth and spreads his hands on his knees and waits. Everybody’s thinking about McMurphy’s thick red arms and scarred hands and how his neck comes out of his T-shirt like a rusty wedge. The resident named Alvin has turned pale at the thought, like that yellow pipe smoke his buddy was blowing at him had stained his face.
“So you believe it would be wise,” the doctor asks, “to send him up to Disturbed?”
“I believe it would be at the very least safe,” the guy with the pipe answers, closing his eyes.
“I’m afraid I’ll have to withdraw my suggestion and go along with Robert,” Alvin tells them all, “if only for my own protection.”
They all laugh. They’re all more relaxed now, certain they’ve come round to the plan she was wanting. They all have a sip of coffee on it except the guy with the pipe, and he has a big to-do with the thing going out all the time, goes through a lot of matches and sucking and puffing and popping of his lips. It finally smokes up again to suit him, and he says, a little proudly, “Yes, Disturbed Ward for ol’ Red McMurphy, I’m afraid. You know what I think, observing him these few days?”
“Schizophrenic reaction?” Alvin asks.
Pipe shakes his head.
“Latent Homosexual with Reaction Formation?” the third one says.
Pipe shakes his head again and shuts his eyes. “No,” he says and smiles round the room, “Negative Oedipal.”
Seems to be a recurring them in Kesey’s work, and he seems to have some knowledge of it, mentioning churchwardens by name, clay ones at that, and talking about people smoking upside down in the wind/rain. Pipes seem to appear regularly in all his books.
 
Damn Cosmic, now I'm on to the Hangman's Daughter. Read the preview, now I gotta buy it.
I had just started smoking pipes when I got into that series. It's like murder mystery meets Pulp Fiction, meets Name of the Rose. The historical nuggets he packs into such a great story with likable characters. I even felt sorry for the good guy hangman as he was having to fingers and knees and ribs and... the descriptions of the pain. Throw in moments of repose with the darkest, stinkiest burleys after a trying day of torturing accused witches and delivering babies... and you should have a PipesMagazine forum best seller right there. puffy
 
Seems to be a recurring them in Kesey’s work,
You guys talking about Ken Kesey, Captain America, hippie electric koolaid bus driver in Tom Wolfe's book? I realized he wrote books, but I just thought they were like all "doors of perception" protest stuff. I once read through a copy of Sailor Song in a nursing home, when I was visiting my grandmother. I kinda read fast. But, I never put that book and THE Ken Kesey till now. It's like finding out that Merle Haggard also wrote non-fiction books about stamp collecting or that Steve Martin plays classical banjo. puffy Are they all just regular books or are some of them drenched in propaganda to get us all to take acid and run around naked? ...and listen to 15 minute guitar solos and think it's good music? JK
 

alaskanpiper

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You guys talking about Ken Kesey, Captain America, hippie electric koolaid bus driver in Tom Wolfe's book? I realized he wrote books, but I just thought they were like all "doors of perception" protest stuff. I once read through a copy of Sailor Song in a nursing home, when I was visiting my grandmother. I kinda read fast. But, I never put that book and THE Ken Kesey till now. It's like finding out that Merle Haggard also wrote non-fiction books about stamp collecting or that Steve Martin plays classical banjo. puffy Are they all just regular books or are some of them drenched in propaganda to get us all to take acid and run around naked? ...and listen to 15 minute guitar solos and think it's good music? JK
Yep, same guy. He is actually a very good writer, very much literature. His most famous work being “One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest”, but I think his best was actually “Sometimes a Great Notion.” I highly recommend it.

It, like Cuckoo’s, was also made into a popular film with famous actors (Paul Newman and Henry Fonda). But as usual, nowhere near as good as the book. Don’t even think about watching it until you have read the book.

I think he did write some crazy wackadoo stuff later on, but his early work is very much classic american lit.

Sailor Song was ok, but ended very oddly.
 

davek

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Yep, same guy. He is actually a very good writer, very much literature. His most famous work being “One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest”, but I think his best was actually “Sometimes a Great Notion.” I highly recommend it.

It, like Cuckoo’s, was also made into a popular film with famous actors (Paul Newman and Henry Fonda). But as usual, nowhere near as good as the book. Don’t even think about watching it until you have read the book.

I think he did write some crazy wackadoo stuff later on, but his early work is very much classic american lit.

Sailor Song was ok, but ended very oddly.
Never read his later works. "Cuckoo's Nest" is one of my favorite books. On second reading, you see how the Chief was basically driven insane by the hospital (by the nurse) and then driven sane by McMurphy just bringing a breath of normalcy to the table. I read it when I was young, before I read/heard anything about the acid tests.

Cosmic - That whole "Electric Kool Aid" thing was *funded* by "Cuckoo's". It's another subject and I won't take the thread any further down the rabbit trail. I will reiterate that reading "Cuckoo's" and then watching the movie would be interesting.
 
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Never read his later works. "Cuckoo's Nest" is one of my favorite books. On second reading, you see how the Chief was basically driven insane by the hospital (by the nurse) and then driven sane by McMurphy just bringing a breath of normalcy to the table. I read it when I was young, before I read/heard anything about the acid tests.

Cosmic - That whole "Electric Kool Aid" thing was *funded* by "Cuckoo's". It's another subject and I won't take the thread any further down the rabbit trail. I will reiterate that reading "Cuckoo's" and then watching the movie would be interesting.
Too late, I watch Cuckoos Nest long ago. I’m a big Jack Nicholson fan. I did know, from the Tom Wolfe book (also a Wolfe fan) that they had financed the “trip” with the book. A brief college roommate of mine got me intrigued me into reading the Wolfe book... and forced me and the entire dorm to listen to the Grateful Dead. I was always like, “so if doing drugs makes you think that noise is music and that un-showered, unshaven girls with No makeup and dreadlocks are beautiful, then maybe I’ll remain I un-enlightened,” ha ha.
But, isn’t it amazing that Jack Kerouac, Hoffman, Cassidy, Kesey, Jack Nicholson, Tom Wolfe, Grateful Dead, and all of these brains are connected?
 
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davek

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Too late, I watch Cuckoos Nest long ago. I’m a big Jack Nicholson fan. I did know, from the Tom Wolfe book (also a Wolfe fan) that they had financed the “trip” with the book. A brief college roommate of mine got me intrigued me into reading the Wolfe book... and forced me and the entire dorm to listen to the Grateful Dead. I was always like, “so if doing drugs makes you think that noise is music and that un-showered, unshaven girls with No makeup and dreadlocks are beautiful, then maybe I’ll remain I un-enlightened,” ha ha.
But, isn’t it amazing that Jack Kerouac, Hoffman, Cassidy, Kesey, Jack Nicholson, Tom Wolfe, Grateful Dead, and all of these brains are connected?

the only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes “Awww!”
― Jack Kerouac, On the Road

“You won't find reasonable men on the tops of tall mountains.”
― Hunter S. Thompson

I'll have you know I have some fond memories of unshaven girls with no make-up. ;)
 
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dino

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What? No one has mentioned Sherlock Holmes?
The Canon is filled with pipe smoke. And, pipes and tobacco are featured "players" in many of the stories.
 
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marlinspike

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What? No one has mentioned Sherlock Holmes?
The Canon is filled with pipe smoke. And, pipes and tobacco are featured "players" in many of the stories.
And not a single calabash in sight! A guy once argued with me that Holmes' signature was the "hat and the gourd pipe", and wouldn't hear a word from me that Holmes' calabash pipe and the deerstalker cap were media creations. I realized the longer we went on that he'd never read a word of the stories, and excused myself from the conversation when I got a chance.