It does lessen tonguebite but it causes irritation on the roof of my mouth if I smoke them too much.
Peterson P-lip
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I HAD a p-lip. My Yello Bole Chesterfield p-lip was busted in an alcohol related incident and needed repair. When I got it back, the stem was no longer a p-lip. Sad day, oh well, my favorite piece of briar has returned to my rack though.
I have several Peterson's and they are all P-Lips. When sipped, the smoke coats the roof of your mouth, spreading the flavor over the palette. I do change clench locations in my mouth throughout my smoke, don't even know if that helps. A Systems pipe with a P-Lip is a great beginner pipe, as it smokes dry and the smoke will not give you tounge bite. Just m .$.02.
I usually keep around 40 pipes in the house. The actual total depends on how many cobs still have their plugs. About half of my furnaces are Petersons and roughly half of those are p-lips. I cannot tell any difference in taste. Of course my buds are in terrible shape after 50+ years of chewing and smoking tobacco.
The P's sit differently, lighter in the teeth if you will, than the fish tails. I think I use a lighter bite with the p-lips although bowl heft has a lot to do with the force needed to keep the pipe in my mouth. I have one over sized meer that, when loaded, is fairly heavy and I can't carry it around in my mouth as is my habit.
So . . . I think that the p-lips sit lighter in my mouth, they seem to ride just behind my canines very comfortably. Fish tails ride on the canines with a bit of jaw pressure. No pressure needed with the p-lips. Keep in mind that all of my pipes are bents to some degree and I feel that the lower bowl keeps the bit against the top row of teeth better. For me straights seem to want to wobble horizontally unless I keep an uncomfortable amount of pressure on the bit. And, I can't detect any difference in tobacco taste between the two bit styles. I do, sometimes, think I get a better hit of nicotine with the p-lip forcing the smoke against the roof (palate) of my mouth.
The P's sit differently, lighter in the teeth if you will, than the fish tails. I think I use a lighter bite with the p-lips although bowl heft has a lot to do with the force needed to keep the pipe in my mouth. I have one over sized meer that, when loaded, is fairly heavy and I can't carry it around in my mouth as is my habit.
So . . . I think that the p-lips sit lighter in my mouth, they seem to ride just behind my canines very comfortably. Fish tails ride on the canines with a bit of jaw pressure. No pressure needed with the p-lips. Keep in mind that all of my pipes are bents to some degree and I feel that the lower bowl keeps the bit against the top row of teeth better. For me straights seem to want to wobble horizontally unless I keep an uncomfortable amount of pressure on the bit. And, I can't detect any difference in tobacco taste between the two bit styles. I do, sometimes, think I get a better hit of nicotine with the p-lip forcing the smoke against the roof (palate) of my mouth.
i have three petersons: a bent killarney, a system standard, and a sherlock holmes deerstalker. they all have p-lips and i really have no preference. for me, the system standard and the deerstalker are hard to clench because the stems are thick and almost rounded, though I don't have that problem with the killarney (the killarney does clog very easily though, whether clean or dirty, just from packing). of course, that could also be because the bowls on the system and the deerstalker are very large and heavy, so my jaw gets tired when i clench them (that's what she said--agggh! couldn't resist!). when i sit and hold my p-lips, i have noticed i have the unconscious tendency to sort of angle them upward so that the hole in the p-lip is more in line with my tongue.
i don't get tongue bite very easily because i like to smoke my tobaccos pretty moist. i never leave a tin open. in my experience, nothing is worse for a tongue bite than a cheap burley/virginia blend, and a p-lip might mitigate that somewhat, but i left those behind looong ago. as much like the fumes of hell good english blends can be, they never bite, unless maybe you try to smoke them through a length of pvc pipe or something, so i imagine the p-lip wouldn't make much of a difference with englishes.
i don't get tongue bite very easily because i like to smoke my tobaccos pretty moist. i never leave a tin open. in my experience, nothing is worse for a tongue bite than a cheap burley/virginia blend, and a p-lip might mitigate that somewhat, but i left those behind looong ago. as much like the fumes of hell good english blends can be, they never bite, unless maybe you try to smoke them through a length of pvc pipe or something, so i imagine the p-lip wouldn't make much of a difference with englishes.
All right Craig, you asked me to do a side by side on the P-Lip and the Fishtail and I'd like to think I did one better. I'm a scientist, or at least soon to be with schooling coming to a close, and so what I did was I did side by sides not only with Erinmore Flake but with a stronger Aro (W.O.Larsen) and with a regular straight Virginia blend (Ashton's Gold Rush. Hence it taking me a good 5 days to get back to you! Here are my findings!
Erinmore Flake: P-Lip: The smoke was noticably cooler and I was able to puff a bit harder to get the flake going without worrying about a bit of tongue bite BUT that being said, with the smoke hitting the top of my mouth it was a bit more difficult to taste the subtleties of the flake. I still got the citrus-ey tastes in the middle part of the bowl but the background tobacco tastes seemed to over-ride it a bit more then I am used to with that particular blend.
Fishtail: Though I experienced a fairly minor case of tongue bite getting this going I noticed far more of the citrus taste in more of the bowl and the background tobacco flavors seemed almost more balanced then they had with the P-Lip.
W.O. Larsen: P-Lip: On this comparison I smoked the P-Lip first and I noticed quite a bit of flavor in the tobacco (as per usual I suppose) that being said I noticed a minor shift in the flavor profile. It was almost more of a whiskey and Coconut or hazelnut with a minor (but still definitely there) citrus note. Very good still. I noticed a bit more of a film on the roof of my mouth then I usually find on my tongue using the P-Lip but the flavor shift was worth it and it allowed me to explore this tobacco a bit more in depth.
Fishtail: With the fishtail pipe I noticed the flavor being primarily citrus with a background of smokey whiskey and no nutty flavor to speak of. Using the Fishtail I didnt get the film on my tongue like I did on the roof of my mouth with the P-lip.
Gold Rush: P-Lip: Again I went for the P-lip and with this tobacco I noticed a lot more of a hay note then I remembered. It was still very good and I got volumes of nice cool smoke but that wasnt much different then the Fishtail though I was able to draw a bit more and coax out that billowing smoke without risking any tongue bite.
Fishtail: With the Fishtail I got far more of a honey-citrus flavor with a nice backing of hay rather then the hay being the forward flavor. I did suffer from minor tongue bite once again by trying to get the same billowing smoke as I did with the P-Lip but after a muffled curse I managed to avoid any more tongue casualties.
Now I tend to enjoy blends quite a bit more when they have the citrus notes, as evidenced by the tobaccos I chose to do this review so I'm personally leaving the P-lip to my wife and sticking with the fishtail. Now I'm not a professional tobacco reviewer so your results may vary but this is my two cents. You asked me for a comparison Craig and now you have it! I apologize for being maybe a bit too methodical but at least no one can say I didnt give my all!
Erinmore Flake: P-Lip: The smoke was noticably cooler and I was able to puff a bit harder to get the flake going without worrying about a bit of tongue bite BUT that being said, with the smoke hitting the top of my mouth it was a bit more difficult to taste the subtleties of the flake. I still got the citrus-ey tastes in the middle part of the bowl but the background tobacco tastes seemed to over-ride it a bit more then I am used to with that particular blend.
Fishtail: Though I experienced a fairly minor case of tongue bite getting this going I noticed far more of the citrus taste in more of the bowl and the background tobacco flavors seemed almost more balanced then they had with the P-Lip.
W.O. Larsen: P-Lip: On this comparison I smoked the P-Lip first and I noticed quite a bit of flavor in the tobacco (as per usual I suppose) that being said I noticed a minor shift in the flavor profile. It was almost more of a whiskey and Coconut or hazelnut with a minor (but still definitely there) citrus note. Very good still. I noticed a bit more of a film on the roof of my mouth then I usually find on my tongue using the P-Lip but the flavor shift was worth it and it allowed me to explore this tobacco a bit more in depth.
Fishtail: With the fishtail pipe I noticed the flavor being primarily citrus with a background of smokey whiskey and no nutty flavor to speak of. Using the Fishtail I didnt get the film on my tongue like I did on the roof of my mouth with the P-lip.
Gold Rush: P-Lip: Again I went for the P-lip and with this tobacco I noticed a lot more of a hay note then I remembered. It was still very good and I got volumes of nice cool smoke but that wasnt much different then the Fishtail though I was able to draw a bit more and coax out that billowing smoke without risking any tongue bite.
Fishtail: With the Fishtail I got far more of a honey-citrus flavor with a nice backing of hay rather then the hay being the forward flavor. I did suffer from minor tongue bite once again by trying to get the same billowing smoke as I did with the P-Lip but after a muffled curse I managed to avoid any more tongue casualties.
Now I tend to enjoy blends quite a bit more when they have the citrus notes, as evidenced by the tobaccos I chose to do this review so I'm personally leaving the P-lip to my wife and sticking with the fishtail. Now I'm not a professional tobacco reviewer so your results may vary but this is my two cents. You asked me for a comparison Craig and now you have it! I apologize for being maybe a bit too methodical but at least no one can say I didnt give my all!
Burl, you need to apologize for nothing. That was an outstanding side by side review and well worth the wait. I like to think this is a forum of intelligent gentlemen (and ladies)and your performance was well above par, but not surprisingly, anticipated. For you at the very least I assume you will not be stealing your wife's Peterson. For me I think I am still interested in a P-lip. After your confirmation of the hypothesis of different flavor profiles, I think it will be a valuable tool when trying new tobaccos. I understand that the noticeable differences were not vast in comparison, but as with many things with this new hobby, I think there is a deep appreciation for the subtle nuances. Thank you again for all your efforts. Well done my friend.
Just got my first p-lip, with some trepidation. Very pleasantly surprised. What I particularly like is that I can press my tongue against the bit and still draw smoke. Maybe I have an outsized tongue, but sometimes with fishtails I don't quite know where to put it. Apparently woodpeckers retract their tongues by sliding them around the back of their skulls, or something. I haven't figured out how to do that. If I do, I'll tell you. In the meantime, I like my p-lip.
hedgehog, as long as you don't plan on carving a briar block with your nose I think you will be alright. Thanks for the chuckle and enjoy your new pipe.
Both my Peterson's have the P-lip and the 465 I ordered this week also have the P-lip. On narrow stems I prefer it but traditional tips on wider stems.
I've actually MADE my own repair stems with 'em...
Data's Calabash here — my "everyday" pipe, a medium Bari straight-stem with nickel-band for durability, has a vulcanite replacement stem I hand-cut some 15-20 years ago, and has a VERY thick bit right in front of its home-crafted P-lip mouthpiece...and I simply love keeping it in my mouth while enjoying a bowlful or two of my daily C&D New Market mixture
I've made a number of vulcanite repair pipestems with P-lips in the past for my needs, even refitting a beautiful outline Italian full-bent sandblast with a P-lipped vulcanite stem that I entirely hand-shaped from rod, with hand skills gained from my radio control aeromodeling hobby. My hand-working skills in regards to pipemaking are good enough that I certainly wouldn't mind giving making an entire briar pipe or two by hand a try someday for my own needs, and as I prefer enjoying really "enormous" pipes, perhaps THAT is a decent way to go towards having them in the first place.
The Italian full-bent seems to "have grown legs" and disappeared over the years, but I'm quite certain it's "somewhere" in my bedroom's clutter. Being unemployed for some 61 months is no fun (lost my last fulltime job as a result of the recession in September 2008) and I've got a nice, large diameter (1-1/4") four foot long black lucite rod from Delvie's Plastics to do more pipestem replacements with. With a piece of lucite that huge, it's a certainty that most, if not all, of the stems I make for my non-freehand pipes' replacement needs will have comfortably fishtailed P-lips on 'em...!
Yours Sincerely,
Data's Calabash
Data's Calabash here — my "everyday" pipe, a medium Bari straight-stem with nickel-band for durability, has a vulcanite replacement stem I hand-cut some 15-20 years ago, and has a VERY thick bit right in front of its home-crafted P-lip mouthpiece...and I simply love keeping it in my mouth while enjoying a bowlful or two of my daily C&D New Market mixture
I've made a number of vulcanite repair pipestems with P-lips in the past for my needs, even refitting a beautiful outline Italian full-bent sandblast with a P-lipped vulcanite stem that I entirely hand-shaped from rod, with hand skills gained from my radio control aeromodeling hobby. My hand-working skills in regards to pipemaking are good enough that I certainly wouldn't mind giving making an entire briar pipe or two by hand a try someday for my own needs, and as I prefer enjoying really "enormous" pipes, perhaps THAT is a decent way to go towards having them in the first place.
The Italian full-bent seems to "have grown legs" and disappeared over the years, but I'm quite certain it's "somewhere" in my bedroom's clutter. Being unemployed for some 61 months is no fun (lost my last fulltime job as a result of the recession in September 2008) and I've got a nice, large diameter (1-1/4") four foot long black lucite rod from Delvie's Plastics to do more pipestem replacements with. With a piece of lucite that huge, it's a certainty that most, if not all, of the stems I make for my non-freehand pipes' replacement needs will have comfortably fishtailed P-lips on 'em...!
Yours Sincerely,
Data's Calabash
plateauguy,
Thanks for the heads up about forever stems.
I read about them here before, but I didn't know about their p-lip stem.
I had been looking hard at some Peterson pipes lately, but per your suggestion, I just bought a p lip stem.
This forever stem should be a good and less expensive way to learn something new.
I also bought a saddle stem cause since I don't have that kind of pipe either.
Thanks again.
Thanks for the heads up about forever stems.
I read about them here before, but I didn't know about their p-lip stem.
I had been looking hard at some Peterson pipes lately, but per your suggestion, I just bought a p lip stem.
This forever stem should be a good and less expensive way to learn something new.
I also bought a saddle stem cause since I don't have that kind of pipe either.
Thanks again.
I like the P-lip stems but I don't think anyone here has mentioned the difference in draw. There is no way that you can get the volume of smoke or as good a draw from a P-lip as you can from a fishtail stem. It's a simple matter to open up the draw on a fishtail, but not so with a P-lip. 8O
Well, I guess Sam did bring that to the thread in the above post, I should read all the way to the end. LOL
I have to agree with Marty.
I've been trying to find a nice old Kapruf forever but they all seem to be plipp'd,
even tho I ain't never smoked fromma plip,
the idea don't appeal to me,
and it looks too much like a penis!
:lol:
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