I hate to quote myself, but here you go...All I told him was that he just needs to read the PetersonPipeNotes blog, participate in any event, and he'll get sent a PDF certificate.
Well, I was looking for unbiased ideas about this stamp, but my personal thoughts were that they made the 'odd' stamp first - number unknown - then decided it wasn't so great and went to the one we're familiar with. Since it was in a normal box with papers, I'm guessing they made a number of these before changing the stamp, and someone will chime in here with another example.
But the terrible line down the side really surprises me - it was an original 1981 issue, so you'd think that on an early run example they would notice things like this and at least finish the stem correctly.
Hey, it was just an oddity I thought I'd share for discussion, so thanks to all. I have plenty of Peterson oddities that I'll share as time permits.
The red box is the same packaging as the non-numbered 1981 pipes. As far as the seam goes - it was actually a ridge when I received the pipe. I sanded it down smooth, but didn't attempt to hide it completely, as it still provides historical information. But I see your point. The only other Mark Twain I had handled before this one was a 1984 in a grey box, so I figured it was a production problem that they had fixed by 1984.Is it possible this was an early example for a salesman to show to dealers in its potential packaging? Sort of a prototype or dummy version—this might explain the seam on the stem and it being in the red box—before the limited production was actually done? If this this is the case, it’s a shame the seam was reduced (not to make you feel bad).
In the book collecting world, proof dust jackets are seen that differ wildly from the final release. It wouldn’t surprise me that a test pipe got out into the wild.
The red box is the same packaging as the non-numbered 1981 pipes. As far as the seam goes - it was actually a ridge when I received the pipe. I sanded it down smooth, but didn't attempt to hide it completely, as it still provides historical information. But I see your point. The only other Mark Twain I had handled before this one was a 1984 in a grey box, so I figured it was a production problem that they had fixed by 1984.
Everything we come up with will be speculation. There is an assumption that this is a production pipe that was for sale via a store to the general public. Unless there’s provenance with a sales slip and a back story from the person who originally purchased the pipe, we really have no way of knowing the red box actually came with the pipe; any seller or previous owner before you could have married the two items together.
I think about all the stories you hear about a friend or family member worked for a company and got a hold of some prototype of something the company made.
“Wow, that's cool!”
“You want it? I’ve had it for years. They were lying around in the sales rep’s office and were going to get tossed. So I grabbed a few. That’s my last one, but it’s yours if you want it.”
“Wow! Thanks!”
Regardless, your anomaly is very cool. I hope we find a clear answer.
Thanks. This was really a 'Hail Mary' post, hoping someone out there had one similar and/or knew the story.OP, you know more about Pete’s than 99% of the website fanboys, most of whom bought their first Pete in the last ten years.
You’ll have to ask Pete to ask Paddy about it. That’s as good a start as any.
The factory workers in Dublin must have had a pint before the shift ?
Only 200, your slacking, you are wrong and apologize to the OP for your wrong account, you were wrong and admit it, Peterson stamps were nether perfect, I know it from 50yrs of collecting, I have no respect for you for your comments, I have a massive collection, some from my Grandfather in 1965. you were insulting to the OP and should apologize, you nearly made him leave this forum because of your comments, you should leave, A good job I didn't report you, this Forum is for good information and not for slagging.I have over 200 Petersons currently and have sold 100 or so in the last few years. Trust me - this is an anomaly. The stamp is the main issue - did I already say that?
Only 200, your slacking, you are wrong and apologize to the OP for your wrong account, you were wrong and admit it, Peterson stamps were nether perfect, I know it from 50yrs of collecting, I have no respect for you for your comments, I have a massive collection, some from my Grandfather in 1965. you were insulting to the OP and should apologize, you nearly made him leave this forum because of your comments, you should leave, A good job I didn't report you, this Forum is for good information and not for slagging.
What years were the "Made in Ireland" stamp supposed to be used?Very likely. The funny thing about Peterson stamps is that they apparently never tossed any of them. So when someone was stamping a pipe, they could grab any stamp in their work area. We see plenty of 'Made in Ireland' variation stamps that we can prove were used in the 'Eire' stamp or 'Irish Free State' stamp periods. And I've had quite a few 1970's pipes (proven by date hallmarks) with 'Made in Ireland' circle stamps.
So your theory is as good as any - someone might have created a 'Mark Twain' stamp that should have ended up in the trash;i.e-the boss said: "No, that's too big - looks stupid. Try again." But someone found it lying around, read 'Mark Twain' on it, and stamped a few pipes.
According to Mark Irwin's book 'The Peterson Pipe', 'Made in' over 'Ireland' began in 1922 and is still being used - I have one hallmarked 1923. 'Made in Ireland' in a circle, according to his book, was 1945-72.What years were the "Made in Ireland" stamp supposed to be used?