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cosmicfolklore

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Nothing angers me as much as getting a pipe off ebay, and a piece of black patch comes off in my mouth as I smoke it for the first time. And, I am left with a useless pipe that needs a new stem.

I wish those who gamble with these fixes, would keep them limited to their own pipes. To do this to a pipe that they are selling is like selling a booby-trap.

 

ashdigger

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Cosmic, I completely agree. The patches I've made to stems are for my pipes, unless I gift the pipe BUT I always clearly state what I did to said pipe.
I too have been the unknowing victim of an eBay "restoration".

 

georged

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Would the epoxy be also a good shot for trying to reattach a tenon that snapped cleanly off near the base?
I have never tried to reattach a tenon using any type of glue.
I have seen about a 55 gallon oil-drum's-worth of separated stems and bowls where that had been attempted, though. :lol: (Usually with a note rubber-banded around them that says, "Please fix this for real. Sorry about the mess.")

 

georged

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Nothing angers me as much as getting a pipe off ebay, and a piece of black patch comes off in my mouth as I smoke it for the first time. And, I am left with a useless pipe that needs a new stem.
I wish those who gamble with these fixes, would keep them limited to their own pipes. To do this to a pipe that they are selling is like selling a booby-trap.
What you describe is so common that even if I came up with a 100% reliable way of doing patches, I still wouldn't use them. Guilt-by-association is a powerful thing.

 

ejames

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Nothing angers me as much as getting a pipe off ebay, and a piece of black patch comes off in my mouth as I smoke it for the first time. And, I am left with a useless pipe that needs a new stem.

I wish those who gamble with these fixes, would keep them limited to their own pipes. To do this to a pipe that they are selling is like selling a booby-trap.
I'd be willing to bet that whoever did the repairs that you had fail probably did not know what the hell they were doing and did not take the time find out out how to PROPERLY do the repair-- or failed to take the time to do the steps needed to do it properly.
And I don't blame you for being pissed !

 

georged

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I'd be willing to bet that whoever did the repairs that you had fail probably did not know what the hell they were doing and did not take the time find out out how to PROPERLY do the repair-- or failed to take the time to do the steps needed to do it properly.
Yup. It's like writing a book: thinking up a story is easy, writing it is hard.
When dealing with shop stuff, proper implementation is essential no matter how good the idea.
It's why I don't recommend that pipe makers go the Delrin tenon route. Not because Delrin tenons can't be made to work---they definitely can---but because glued-in tenons lower both the skill set and financial barriers to entry in the carving game, so are commonly found on "beginner" pipes. Pipes made by people who don't understand what's required to make a solid join when a super-slippery material is involved, and so the joint frequently fails.
In short, the many Delrin screw-ups produced by beginning carvers has cast a shadow on the concept. It's similar to General Motors hastily modifying its 350 V8 gasoline engine to run on diesel fuel in the early 1980's to capitalize on diesel's dramatically lower pump price at the time, and doing it badly. The vast majority failed catastrophically in 30K miles or so. The result? It's been 30+ years, but diesel cars in the US are still viewed with suspicion by the general public. (The irony being, of course, that the most reliable and durable internal combustion engines on the planet are properly executed diesels.)

 
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