zerohunter, I'm not pushing the Sav 604 EX, but I would say that because of its extreme bent configuration, it pulls much less on the jaw and teeth than a partially bent or straight pipe, because there is not the leverage factor. I would say it pulls about like a 1.5 or 1.6 ounce pipe with a slightly bent or straight stem. This is true of any full Oom-Paul, I believe, in terms of a much reduced effect of its weight, whatever it is.