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travelergypsy

Starting to Get Obsessed
May 15, 2016
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Ok, before I start, I know there are probably thousands of post along this line, but the custom search engine didn't turn up the answer to my question.
So, I have been just rubbing my flakes out and packing as I would loose cut tobacco. Every time I attemp the fold and stuff method, it packs way to tight. I fold the flake, and put it in the pipe, but I can't get it to rest in there without some coaxing, but with coaxing come packing, and I end up with solid ball of tobacco that will not stay lit. Any help would be approciated. My current method does work well for me, but I have read in different reviews that the fold and stuff method brings out better/different flavor.

 

stickframer

Part of the Furniture Now
Apr 11, 2015
875
9
Are you folding the flake in half lengthwise before folding it across the grain?
You could even use half a flake if it fits better. The tobacco will expand once lit so Id suggest trying less tobacco. See if that helps. Be sure to lightly squeeze the bottom part once is folded, to break up the tobacco a bit and give better airflow.

 

travelergypsy

Starting to Get Obsessed
May 15, 2016
246
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I've tried length wise and then in half. But now I'm trying it with LTF coins, and that's nylon working at all.

 
May 4, 2015
3,210
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I've been smoking a pipe for over a decade and I basically never had success with fold and stuff. Even when I can keep it lit, I have to work it way too hard to keep it cool. I know some fellas swear by it, but it's a skill that has eluded me, and frankly, I'm tired of wasting flakes. Lightly rubbed out for me.

 

newbroom

Lifer
Jul 11, 2014
6,424
10,789
North Central Florida
It is so easy to get too much flake in your bowl because of the expansion that happens when you heat it.

My first coin of Escudo was folded and stuffed directly from a freshly opened tin into my MM Legend and it took the first light and burned, slowly, as long as I wanted to nudge it. It was sort of a miracle.

Generally, allow for expansion.

 

sladeburns

Might Stick Around
Apr 2, 2013
82
0
Food and stuff so rarely works for me that I've given up on it. I lightly rub it out or cube cut it now.

 

perdurabo

Lifer
Jun 3, 2015
3,305
1,582
Yea, that search engine is faulty. When you Fold N Stuff, use a smaller amount. Take the flake and half it with the grain. Then use the fold in stuff method. As Andy said, you can Roll N Stuff, which is like making little cannon balls to go into the chamber. Trying to cram a flake into the chamber is a nightmare. Takes a little trial and error. I prefer to break the flake up, I believe that you get the same flavor, the Stuff methods just give you a slower burn.

 

bigpond

Lifer
Oct 14, 2014
2,019
15
You have to tailor the tobacco load to the size of your chamber. If you are choking the bowl you are starting with too much tobacco. You don't always need to use a full flake. Cut it or tear it to make it fit your pipe. Keep in mind flakes are dense and expand when burning, make sure you allow it room to do so otherwise it will choke the bowl again and it will not burn well.
For example: fold the flake once lengthwise, and then once width wise. Compare the plug against the bowl size...if it is too long, hold the plug from the base and tear off the excess (it's ideal to have a flake well shorter than your bowl). Next check for width, you want the plug to slide into the chamber easily. If you have to force it, it is too tight. Check the draw. You want a little resistance.
If you start with a short plug, you can gently tamp down the tobacco before lighting to create a relatively level surface. Take any crumbs or loose bits of tobacco that were liberated in the preparation of your plug and rub them as finely as you are able. Sprinkle a bit on top of your plug, gently tamp them to create a level surface (no pressure), and bring in your flame source.
Major caveat: this all assumes your tobacco is dry enough to burn. The rule of thumb I learned is when you fold a flake the strands should break. This will guarantee your tobacco is fully dried. Typically, I stop drying tobacco when it is resilient enough to resist flexing.
Anyway, on to Cube Cutting:
This is simply cutting a flake in to pieces roughly the size and shape of the head of a match stick. A sharp knife or razor blade works well. After cutting, you simply drop the pieces into your pipes bowl. If you tap the bowl gently at the half way and 3/4 point, the cubes will sit evenly and you will not need to tamp the load. Remember, cubes are dense and will expand quite a bit, allow them room to do so.
Like fold and stuff, the tobacco needs to dry enough for the cube cut method.
When preparing a wet tobacco such as a tin of FVF, I will decant the entire tin onto a wire cooling rack lined with paper towels or a tea towel, and leave the tobacco to air dry for several hours, or until the tobacco has become dry enough to break but not crumble when a folded.
At that point, I will cube cut the entire tin and drop it all in to a mason jar. Typically, this will keep the entire volume smoke ready. Occasionally, a blend will need a bit of dry time even after this treatment, but that is rare.
The above should work well to get you started but you'll find your own technique along the way.

 
May 4, 2015
3,210
16
Razor blade? I'm too clumsy - I'd lose a finger :P
I use very small scissors. Nail scissors? That might be what they are.

 

cossackjack

Lifer
Oct 31, 2014
1,052
648
Evergreen, Colorado
For almost all flakes, I use either the fold-twist-stuff method or the Z-fold method, with a little crumbled "tinder" on top, though the straw method (stuffing long thin strips of flake, like broom straws) works in highly conical bowls. I rarely rub-out or cube-cut (except for dense, stubborn ropes/twists or plugs)
For very moist flakes, such a those from Samuel Gawith or Gawith & Hogarth, I let them dry for awhile in the pipe, sometimes overnight.

 

mawnansmiff

Lifer
Oct 14, 2015
7,901
8,922
Sunny Cornwall, UK.
Very well explained Bigpond :clap: I often wondered what cube cut actually entailed.
I did once 'chop' a couple of really thick flake blends with a 2 second blast in my coffee grinder. Bob's Chocolate Flake & Coniston Cut Plug I think they were.
Regards,
Jay.

 
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