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aldecaker

Lifer
Feb 13, 2015
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I was just reading the Mars Cigars thread about a new Pa. state tax hike; I am assuming this will affect P&C as well, since they are in Bethlehem, Pa. P&C is my go-to e-tailer (I know, boo, hiss, etc.), so I am wondering if their prices are about to go waaaay up. Anyone have any insight into this? It may have already been discussed and I just missed it.
Fortunately, I also like dealing with WV Smokeshop, so I have that as a fallback (for now). I kind of got priced out of patronizing my local B&Ms; I hope I don't start getting priced out of my favored e-tailers as well!

 

prairiedruid

Lifer
Jun 30, 2015
2,050
1,330
Any product that is bought by people living outside PA is not taxed at the new rate. Only sales within PA. Russ mentioned it on a previous thread.

 

aldecaker

Lifer
Feb 13, 2015
4,407
46
Yep, definitely missed that. Thank you for the info. That tax has to really suck balls for a B&M with walk-in clientele, though. I feel sorry for them.

 

papipeguy

Lifer
Jul 31, 2010
15,777
40
Bethlehem, Pa.
It's a one time floor tax that retailers in Pa will recoup in future sales to Pa buyers. It still sucks and smaller B&M's will suffer from it.

 

jefff

Lifer
May 28, 2015
1,915
6
Chicago
I have never had a problem with P&C. I just received 7 tins of various RO perique blends. The packaging was just fine, no tins were dented and they got to Chicago in 3 days.
Having said that I now buy the majority of my tobacco at Iwan Reis. I can walk there and I feel good about supporting a local business.

 

zitotczito

Lifer
Aug 12, 2014
1,128
175
This is a cut and paste from the PA Dept of Revenue site:
OTHER TOBACCO PRODUCTS TAX​
Effective October 1, 2016, tax is imposed on smokeless tobacco, roll-your-own tobacco, pipe tobacco, e-cigarettes, including the products and substances that go into the e-cigarettes, and any other tobacco products for chewing, ingesting or smoking, except cigars.
E-cigarettes/Vapor products
The tax rate on the sale of e-cigarettes and any liquid substances that go into them or any item that is sold for use in e-cigarettes is 40 percent of the purchase price from the wholesaler. For example: If the retailer purchased an e-cigarette for $10. The retailer would pay tax of $4. The tax on e-cigarettes is effective beginning October 1, 2016.
Roll-your-own, chewing tobacco, snuff and pipe tobacco
The tax is 55 cents ($0.55) per ounce, with a minimum tax per package of 66 cents ($0.66). For example, if the retailer purchases 100 ounces of tobacco in two-ounce packages the tax due would be $55. If the same quantity is purchased in one-ounce packages, the tax due would be $66. The tax on chewing tobacco, snuff and pipe tobacco is effecting beginning October 1, 2016.
The effective day for the tax on roll-your-own tobacco is 60 days after the Pennsylvania Attorney General publishes a notice in the Pennsylvania Bulletin announcing it has reached an agreement with the participating manufacturers under the Master Settlement Agreement.
List of what is taxable under the Tobacco Products Tax
E-cigarettes,

Liquids or any other substance that goes into e-cigarettes,

Roll-your-own tobacco,

Pipe tobacco,

Periques,

Granulated tobacco,

Plug cut tobacco,

Crimp cut tobacco,

Ready rubbed tobacco,

Chewing tobacco,

Snuff,

Dry snuff,

Snuff flour,

Cavendish,

Plug and twist tobacco,

Fine cut tobacco, and

Any other type or variation of smoking and or chewing tobacco.

Licensing
Both wholesalers and dealers need an Other Tobacco Products (OTP) license. Every location of a wholesaler or dealer, including vending machines, must be individually licensed. Existing cigarette tax license are not valid for other tobacco products. Additional information relating to licensing, including the applications, will be available September 1, 2016. The cost of an OTP license is as follows:
Wholesaler & Manufacturer license are $1,500 per location.

Retailer license are $25 per location.

Vending machine license are $25 per location.
ALSO:
Who is responsible for payment and reporting of the tax?

Wholesalers and manufacturers are required to collect tax from retailers.

A consumer who purchases tobacco products using the internet or mail order catalogs for personal possession or use in Pennsylvania from persons or business without a Pennsylvania tobacco products license.
AND THIS:
Do I need a license if my business is out-of-state and sells online to PA customers?

Yes, depending on your business structure you will need the corresponding license. Manufacturers need a manufacturer’s license and wholesalers need a wholesale license.
And this is why I have cellared deep, and I mean deep as I saw this coming when our Governor was running for office. I understand that I could be prosecuted for not paying this extra tax along with the PA sales tax. And since it would appear that businesses such as SPC would have to have a license to sell to PA residents, it would follow that the State of PA would then have no trouble getting information on out of state purchases. In effect it would seem my days of buying any more tobacco are over. So could the businesses not in PA then choose to restrict sales to PA customers.
Now when is the darn War Horse Bar coming out?

 

cossackjack

Lifer
Oct 31, 2014
1,052
648
Evergreen, Colorado
Colorado has Amendment 72 on the ballot for this November which would raise taxes on tobacco products, mostly on cigarettes, though all other products except vaping are affected. Pipe tobaccco taxes will increase by 22%.

CO will move from 38th to 11th highest tobaccco tax rate.

The social engineers/nannyists never stop.

May be time to move to or at least order tobacco from within Wyoming (which also has no state income tax).

 

jerwynn

Lifer
Dec 7, 2011
1,033
14
Well... I'm sorry... but F*CK the g-d- Great Byzantine Draconian Commonwealth of PEEay!! I live purt near smack dab in the middle of it. First, we are only one of two "states" (+ Utah) that have state-controlled monopolies on booze sales... now this. Pfaw. I quit. I hate diss sht mon! (And I resolved always to be happy and positive with my participation in the forum. Fail again.) Sorry everybody. :x

 

jerwynn

Lifer
Dec 7, 2011
1,033
14
Thanks, btw, zitotczito, for publishing that cut and paste. I meant to include this above.

 

bigpond

Lifer
Oct 14, 2014
2,019
14
@1Coyote
You just inspired me to place my first order at 4Noggins. Something I've wanted to do for a while, but a deal here or there always steered me elsewhere.

 

dottiewarden

Lifer
Mar 25, 2014
3,053
58
Toronto
Who is responsible for payment and reporting of the tax?

Wholesalers and manufacturers are required to collect tax from retailers.

A consumer who purchases tobacco products using the internet or mail order catalogs for personal possession or use in Pennsylvania from persons or business without a Pennsylvania tobacco products license.
This law is not exclusive to PA. Most states have similar laws regarding internet tobacco purchases from out-of-state.
Watch your back!

 

zitotczito

Lifer
Aug 12, 2014
1,128
175
Who is responsible for payment and reporting of the tax?

Wholesalers and manufacturers are required to collect tax from retailers.

A consumer who purchases tobacco products using the internet or mail order catalogs for personal possession or use in Pennsylvania from persons or business without a Pennsylvania tobacco products license.

This law is not exclusive to PA. Most states have similar laws regarding internet tobacco purchases from out-of-state.
Watch your back!
I have actually paid the PA State sales tax on my yearly return. This is a new tax and I am not sure how you would claim it and the hassle involved. In either case that is why I cellared so heavy so now I really do not have to even concern myself with it. I am set.

 

sthbkr77

Starting to Get Obsessed
Mar 17, 2015
221
0
MD
It may be worth the drive to WV, MD or OH fore me...
gmjabsky, John B Hayes in Winchester VA is great as are the Fader's location in MD if you're coming down from PA.

 
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