If I put tobacco in one jar, aged it for a year, opened it, put half of it into a another jar, and aged that another year… would the second jar be considered to have aged two years? Or does opening reset the aging process?
Opening the Jar
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Resets everytime you open the jar.
I think it would be a “partial” reset, as the tobak doesn’t revert to its prior character.
The only time it truly matters to me is when folks add an expectation of higher value in a resale situation, and in that case it should be in its original container, since there’s no way to verify the aerobic consumption of initial opening which switched over to an a anaerobic process has been undisturbed.
Which leads to the thought many cellarers have that the initial “breathing” during the switch to jars (or Mylar) is a beneficial step. This seems to me to be a self-serving belief, otherwise no one cellaring with the intent to age tobacco would put it in jars…
I highly doubt that whenever we see someone smoking “ABCD” from 20XX that it’s the first time that has been dipped into.
Thinking as I do, I gain more understanding of why many producers shy away from the topic.
But it sure drives a lot of passioned discussion…
If I smoke a blend after it’s been sealed for 5 years it’s 5 years old. If I open the jar again in 7 days to smoke it it’s not a 1week old blend.
I don’t see how the time would stop with a fresh gust of air when you open it. It’ll age differently than if it were sealed the whole time, but I can’t imagine it’s a huge difference for the average smoker.
I don’t see how the time would stop with a fresh gust of air when you open it. It’ll age differently than if it were sealed the whole time, but I can’t imagine it’s a huge difference for the average smoker.
Whatever process that was going on stops once the lid is opened and new air gets in. Therefore at that point, aging stops. No, that doesn't mean it will go back to seed before being planted.
You have to appreciate that when you remove it from its original tin you have lost at least 50% of its market value. So, be careful of what you jar. When you open a jar that's pretty well the end of the jar as far as value goes.
I wonder if people are unsure of what you meant by “reset” from your previous post in this thread. I know I am.
What did you mean by “reset”?
Process of aging stops when lid is opened. Sort of like wine, once the cork is popped, aging stops. When lid is sealed again, the aging starts again, however, oxidation has occurred because the lib was opened, and at this point the tobacco is different animal than what it was if lid wasn't opened.
I believe it means the aging it was going through has stopped and it starts a new aging process from when you pop the lid.
It resets the process though nobody knows in what way.
Aging is an unpredictable process.
I’ve split a large amount of a single batch into four different jars, which sat unopened, next to each other, for a decade, and vary in flavor quite a lot.
So don’t worry about it.
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Google was my friend today. This is a great read on the subject and it covers opening jars and why you shouldn't.
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I’m only almost a couple years in the pipe game, and know relatively little.
I do know some blends/tobaccos are sold rather “fresh” and are appreciably better after some time in a jar.
I also know that I’ve thrown none out, or experienced bad outcomes from opening a jar of such at say, 6months and taking a couple ounces out, and another six months later, taking some more out.
Heck, even opening something up and just stocking my nose in it hasn’t harmed any.
All that said, pipeophiles seem to love obsessing on the minutiae of every aspect of acquiring tobacco, preparing tobacco, loading tobacco, lighting tobacco, drawing tobacco, tamping tobacco, ashing (or not ashing) tobacco, what to store in, what to smoke it in, etc, etc.
Bottom line for me: enjoy yourself and take what works for you and use it, keep an open yet practical mind, and realize that what you like/do now will probably be different down the road a ways.
A tobacco blends age is whatever is either put on the original container, or when I purchased it. How it’s treated from that day on can better it or detract from it.
Of course, I’m not an expert, and your mileage may vary
I don't pay any attention to aging. It's just what happens when you buy and store crap every week. I've got a closet full of unopened stuff that's been there a decade or more, and I just hope it's as good now as it was when purchased. As an example, I loved fresh Haddo's Delight for its perique bang, or whatever it was. I just discovered a tin from 2014. I'm too frightened to open it and be faced with some mellow shit that only a girly-man would love. Thinking of monetizing the whole mess and just smoking CH out of a tub.
I tend to agree with you on this. I do think that considerable aging can make a subtle difference but the topic can quickly descend into the fanatical discussion level of "breaking in a new pipe" or "How to retrohale" or "How to pack a bowl" etc....
As to the OP, I don't know....
But, when I open a jar or tin, it is now "in rotation" and will be smoked within 3-6 months.
I usually only have 4-5 different tobaccos open to choose from at any given time....of which, two are everyday multiple smokers (large jars) and the rest are tins or small jars for variety.
Everything else stays sealed.
But, when I open a jar or tin, it is now "in rotation" and will be smoked within 3-6 months.
I usually only have 4-5 different tobaccos open to choose from at any given time....of which, two are everyday multiple smokers (large jars) and the rest are tins or small jars for variety.
Everything else stays sealed.
I like Haddo’s both fresh and aged. The Perique is still present, but the blend is smoother.
Oldest blends I have are Dunhill from the last time when they stopped playing with manly things. So, I really can't say what really aged tobacco will smoke like.
However, I do know what leaving tobacco in a jar can do. And it depends on the blend. Some can taste different in few months. Some won't change much after a year. Some great tobacco will be lost to mold. It's good surprise opening up a forgotten blends to see how they changed.
However, I do know what leaving tobacco in a jar can do. And it depends on the blend. Some can taste different in few months. Some won't change much after a year. Some great tobacco will be lost to mold. It's good surprise opening up a forgotten blends to see how they changed.
yup, fermentation is a strange mistress. I can make one batch of sauerkraut, cabbage and salt, put it into different jars, store in the same place, and each jar will taste different. Pretty sure it’s based on which bacteria takes over…
As for the aged tobacco, the OP, opening the jar will slightly slow the fermentation process, but then it starts up again, I’d still consider it two years old, minus a week, lol