Opening a 10 Year Old Sealed Mason Jar

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mrenglish

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Dec 25, 2010
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I have never had an issue with re-jarring tobacco from a previously sealed jar. I have a jar of Escudo that is going on 12+ years in the jar. I open it from time to time to smoke out of and it has never dried out or turned to dust. It is not something I smoke frequently but every time I open it, it breaks the seal. Then it reseals just fine. To this day, the coins are completely fine. I would be more worried about the jars being sterile when re-jarring than it drying out. I've other tobaccos I do this with and have had zero issues with any of it drying out. I've received other tobaccos that were placed in ziplock bags for shipping, put them in new jars and they are all just fine.

 
John, which Michael? Ha ha, two of us with diametrically opposed views.
I think if diligent about keeping the jar sealed, and if the tobacco was in good order to start with... but, also if you are occasionally opening a jar that is 12 years old, then you do not have any anaerobic fermentation going on at all. The key to getting good fermentation is to set up conditions for it to work, and then leaving it undisturbed. The tobacco may be fine, and it may also explain why it doesn't turn to crap on you. You've just been doing a great job of storing it.
There is even much debate about what varieties of tobaccos grown and curing processes are best to leave and develop the microbes that actually age the tobacco, among homegrowers. It hasn't gotten that nerdy on here yet, but it is imperative that conditions be met and maintained for actual aging to take place.

 

jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
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The one immediately above my post. (!)
A tobacco or blend that's been anaerobically aged for a dozen years should be fine after exposed to new oxygen for the time it takes to open and grab some out. Now, that type of aging has stopped, but it still ages..... Differently. Turning to dust just has not happened in my experience, but I don't let my stuff dry out, either. (Thanks, Mr. Mason and Mrs. Ball)

 

mawnansmiff

Lifer
Oct 14, 2015
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Sunny Cornwall, UK.
Ageing is a thing that no one has any control over as it is equated to time itself. No matter what one does with a tobacco bought in say 1995, jarred once or jarred a dozen times, it will still be 23 years old (as of today)......as to how it tastes is another aspect altogether and will taste different from one smoker to another.
In a blind tasting, I wonder how many folks would be able to detect a 10, 15 or 20 year old blend such as say FVF if they were presented with an 'anonymous' bowl of tobacco!
Regards,
Jay.

 
I posted this on another thread that was discussing the same things...
http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/research-biologist-meets-tobacco-bloom

It wasn’t a post by Sykes, but he had commented on the thread. That’s how I was able to look it up again, especially since the thread is about bloom.

But Jmatt had posted some further information about the reintroduction of oxygen.

However, the topic is rehashed over and over in many other threads, and even in Greg’s articles on the magazine portion of the website.

The arguments usually have someone or multiple posters with supporting evidence that reintroducing oxygen rapidly speeds up the “rotting” (for lack of a better word), and then just as many people will post that they constantly reopen their tobacco jars to pull smokes out of it, with no harm to the tobacco. Which is countered by the argument that if a tin is opened after a few years and put in a jar, then the said jar is reopened constantly, then actual anaerobic aging has never taken place, which is also supported by reports on homegrowers forums. Those jars wont see rapid degeneration of the tobacco, because it is merely held in a statsis of storage, never fermented, but yet a different type of aging.
Basically, do you want the sweeter aging process that creates bloom, or do you want the less predictable aging process? Or, does it matter to you?
None of this is my research, but explains what I see sometimes when dealing with jarred or aged tins.

 

pepesdad1

Lifer
Feb 28, 2013
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Having nothing to do with nothing...I just opened a jar of Frog across the Pond that has 5 years on it....really good, seemingly better than when it was fresh (to me)....more mellow>

 

maker

Starting to Get Obsessed
Mar 22, 2018
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the smell of cracking open a 10 year old jar is worth the extra cost IMHO

 

torque

Can't Leave
May 21, 2013
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Which is countered by the argument that if a tin is opened after a few years and put in a jar, then the said jar is reopened constantly, then actual anaerobic aging has never taken place, which is also supported by reports on homegrowers forums. Those jars wont see rapid degeneration of the tobacco, because it is merely held in a statsis of storage, never fermented, but yet a different type of aging.
This is the conditions that most cigars are "aged" under. Fresh air is introduced at some frequency during the aging process. Anaerobic activity is certainly kept to a minimum under these circumstances but the tobacco does change over time.

 
Jan 28, 2018
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This is the conditions that most cigars are "aged" under. Fresh air is introduced at some frequency during the aging process. Anaerobic activity is certainly kept to a minimum under these circumstances but the tobacco does change over time.
That's exactly right except the cigars have some amount of fresh oxygen constantly as humidor.com certainly aren't sealed air tight.

 
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