On The Use Of The Word "Aromatic"

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toobfreak

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Indeed, there are many such words if one is interested in such matters.
I actually still have one of those old, massive, six inch thick unabridged dictionaries and looked it up. The word comes from 'aroma' of course, basically, used as a noun to describe an object as 'aromatic' is anything that emits a nice smell, pungent, spicy, so it really is a matter of degree here. Since all tobacco has an aroma of some kind, it would seem that aromatic pipe tobacco would have to have an effusive aroma above and beyond that of just plain ol' tobacco (like burley). Perique, Latakia and orientals probably qualify then, in and of themselves, but flavored tobaccos that do not have any particular tin or room note (maybe rare?) would not. So adding an aromatic like Perique, does it make the blend itself automatically aromatic? Maybe not if the amount is in too small a quantity to meet the aromatic condition. :mrgreen:

 

shutterbugg

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Nov 18, 2013
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Older tobacco books differentiate the use of aromatic and flavored. Aromatic being a tobacco's natural aroma, and flavored being what most call aromatics now.
Exactly. When pipesmoking meant just smoking a pipe, aromatic meant anything having an aroma non-pipesmokers generally found pleasant. As pipesmoking developed into "a hobby" (a happenstance I suspect as being a marketing ploy on the part of wholesale and retail tobacconists hoping to repeat their success at doing so with cigar smoking which saw prices and profits quintuple)a lot of things changed. Opinions were repeated enough times to become accepted as gospel by newbies, and the traditional definiton of aromatic, which allowed for inclusion of many naturally-flavored, un-cased un-topped blends and was thus too vague for the hard and fast rulebook of "a hobby", was replaced by the more simplistic one which allows a neater split between blends with less crossover vaguery.
The current definition also allows for a clearer means of classifying "aro lovers" as a group to be sneered at by "real pipe smokers". All in the good spirit of internet rutting contests of course :)

 

warren

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"Aromatic" is one of those terms, with respect to pipe smoking, with a very flexible definition, even today. It seems as though each smoker has a favored definition. Truth be, to me, there is no definitive definition accepted across the spectrum of smokers, manufacturers, blenders, retailers, historians, etc.
The "legitimate" definition of a word can vary from neighborhood to neighborhood, village to village, holler to holler, country to country, even generation to generation. Acceptable usage legitimizes a word not a dictionary. This is the very reason why dictionary definitions are constantly changing.

 

mawnansmiff

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"I actually still have one of those old, massive, six inch thick unabridged dictionaries and looked it up."
Toobfreak, I have the Oxford English Dictionary (2nd ed) and that takes up over four feet of bookshelf in 20 large 'tombstone' volumes...the first edition (exquisitely bound in leather) takes up just under that. Volume 8 alone (Q-Sh) in nigh on five inches thick in itself!
You just can't beat the good old OED :puffy:
Regards,
Jay.

 

Perique

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It is only relatively recently that the term "aromatic", as it is applied to pipe tobacco, has been used to describe heavily cased blends with little tobacco flavor. Traditionally, as stated above, this term had been used to describe naturally processed, richly flavorful tobacco with a distinct aroma such as Latakia, Perique and certain Orientals. A more precise vernacular might describe such tobaccos as "aromatic" while describing today's "aromatics" as "flavored" tobacco. Use of the term "aromatic" rather than "flavored" is likely an industry reaction to the regulatory and tax risk associated with the term "flavored" when applied to tobacco of any kind.

 

Chasing Embers

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Toobfreak, I have the Oxford English Dictionary (2nd ed) and that takes up over four feet of bookshelf in 20 large 'tombstone' volumes...the first edition (exquisitely bound in leather) takes up just under that. Volume 8 alone (Q-Sh) in nigh on five inches thick in itself!
You just can't beat the good old OED

:worship:

 

warren

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I have the two volume OED with reading glass and an individual subscription. The respect I have for the editors and contributors is unsurpassed. Nothing else like it for any other language. I can't think of a better value each year.

 

toobfreak

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Dec 19, 2016
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I have the Oxford English Dictionary (2nd ed) and that takes up over four feet of bookshelf
That is a lot more dictionary than I think I can handle, but I envy your having it! Closest thing I could find right now is it on CD-ROM and the asking price was $235. 8O
As to meaning of words, I've found that they don't seem to change that often. When they do, they generally become a new, acknowledged meaning added to the older original ones rather than meanings of words just flagging all over the place at the whim of society, otherwise, words would have no real meaning and how could you possibly define slang?

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
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That is exactly how definitions change, sometimes rapidly, because of the whims of the different strata of society.
The problem arises when a word acquires many definitions. Or, words seemingly in opposition to each other mean exactly the same thing. Flammable and inflammable immediately come to mind. Toilet, bathroom, restroom, lavatory, and others may mean the same facility in different parts of the country... or not. And then there is the word facility: Bathroom? Ease? A building? Before television in some parts of the country asking the location of the bathroom to urinate would elicit a gasp. Bathrooms were where one took a bath. The WC or perhaps toilet was where one did one's business. TV is indeed a great teacher and equalizer when it comes to the spoken and written word. New words and new usages now travel around the world to be accepted, perhaps redefined, or even ignored at the speed of light.
Yes indeed, words have meaning. Sometimes they have many conflicting meanings.
And one must have a bit of empathy for the members here who struggle to write in English. And, so, or is it sew? sow? to bed.

 

mawnansmiff

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Oct 14, 2015
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"I have the two volume OED with reading glass..."
Warren, what you have there is the micro-photographically printed edition of the 1st edition of the OED. They did the same with the 2nd edition only this time in one single volume (nine pages printed on each page) that is classed as elephant folio and it weighs a ton!
It was far to difficult for me to read even with the magnifier hence the purchase of the 'proper' 20 volume set.
The next best thing to the full OED is the SOED (Shorter Oxford English Dictionary), this comes in two large volumes and contains the bulk of the full edition with much less illustrative quotations. My edition is the 6th and I believe the most current. This makes for the perfect 'every day' dictionary for casual use.
For an excellent read I would highly recommend 'Caught In The Web Of Words', 'James Murray & The Oxford English Dictionary' by K. M. Elisabeth Murray (his grand daughter).
Regards,
Jay.

 

jpmcwjr

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May 12, 2015
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Back to words: Occasionally in a large restaurant or store, I'll ask for the location of a "toilet". Sometimes blank stares, followed by, "Do you mean the bathroom?" No, I am not going to take a bath! "Restroom"? No, I don't wish to rest, just use the toilet..... And: No, I don't often go into the dialogue....but it runs through my mind.

 

warren

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For a bit under $300.00 USD, annually, one can access the OED, continually updated, on-line. Not as warm and comfy as having a volume in front of you and leafing through the pages but, still informative and entertaining.
The development of the OED has generated many great books. Miss Murray's is one of the really enjoyable ones. What was to be a one-man undertaking, expected to be completed in a year's? time has turned into a never ending saga. Amateur "word sleuths" contribute as much as the paid researchers and editors. The man who made his contributions from his room in the asylum was the story which cemented my love of the OED.
Jay: Wouldn't a really polite person keep a receptacle taped to his leg and never once have to pose such an indelicate question? :puffpipe:

 
There have always been two ways of looking at things like dictionaries (and other references books or documents). One is to say that the "book" holds the rules that define us, and the other is to say that the books attempt to define how we use or do these things. Language came before the dictionaries. They are not holy. It is us as a society that determines the meanings and use of words, and it is the dictionaries that chase after these words, meanings, and uses like scribes following the masses. What really determines the use, meaning, or rules of using words is us, small groups, or large groups. By invisible contracts of dialog, literature, or media, we develop new words all the time, as well as change their uses. Dictionaries are more like books that chase after meanings defining the shape of water by whatever vessel it happens to be in at the time, and we are all not the same shaped vessels. Those who turn to dictionaries as rules of engagement, dict-thumpers (as I like to call the), tend to want language to be static, unchanging. However, we can just look at literature over all time to see that it is not.
Aromatic can have as many uses as we want, However, of you are a tobacco producer, seller, or vendor, and you hand me something, and say, "This is an aromatic tobacco," I will understand by invisible contract amongst most of the pipe community that the tobacco is topped with flavoring, not cased, or blended for a certain fragrance. Topped, which is very different from cased. Another flavor has been added to either enhance or give the tobacco another aroma altogether.
However, when I talk to my wife about the smell of my tobacco in my car, we may diacusss the aromatic nature of the pure Virginia. But, of a vendor tells me that this is an aromatic Virginia, I will understand that it is not going to be what I am looking for.
It's really not that hard. But, I have noticed that the subtlest uses of language are quickly becoming harder for people to understand. We have more and more become people who filter what we hear to look for contrast or contribute to our World views. We rarely look objectively at situations or words, and then find meaning. We tend to have the meaning first, and then look for reinforcement or contrast.
But, words change faster than we realize, and I look to dictionaries (which I love) as more of historical books, sometimes fictional... but even the word fictional doesn't mean fantastic, or make-believe, unless one is of the belief that truths can only be found in pure facts. And... woe to those who only hold facts delivered in scientific use of language. I prefer a little more passion in my words than that. Flavor.
Me, I prefer to think, ponder, and enjoy communication on many different levels. So, you'll just have to sick out my phat jive that I've laid down on the low down, or beat it. :puffy:

 

mawnansmiff

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"For a bit under $300.00 USD, annually, one can access the OED, continually updated, on-line. Not as warm and comfy as having a volume in front of you and leafing through the pages but, still informative and entertaining."
Warren, here in the UK if your local library subscribes to the online OED3 (as mine does) then one has free access by simply entering one's library card number! Perhaps you ought seek out if the same applies in the US.
"One is to say that the "book" holds the rules that define us, and the other is to say that the books attempt to define how we use or do these things. Language came before the dictionaries. They are not holy."
Michael, you are missing one major fact...the OED is a prescriptive dictionary (as most are) and not a proscriptive dictionary. There is a massive difference...look it up in a dictionary :puffy:
Regards,
Jay.

 

warren

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Yup! The OED relates how a word evolved or is evolving, what it means to some and has meant to others.
Add this to the discussion: We, English speakers, hear slower than we speak. There is a study or two out there and I'm pressed for time so, no citations. Look them up if you wish. They are interesting. Hence, lots of misunderstandings, especially with so many words having so many meanings, some being very arcane.

 

oldreddog

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This is a fascinating discussion gents. But due to my poor visual processing skills and atrocious spelling coupled with the limitations of posting via a drone phone I usually keep my posts short. Thus berivity is my friend.
I am fascinated by words there origin and multi usage and so forth.

Such as the many words derived from French such as farrier, fer being the French for iron. I also hold in high esteem those who craft things of beauty from words.

I just wanted to chime in and say carry on. Right that's enough of fighting with the spell checker.

 

mawnansmiff

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"We, English speakers, hear slower than we speak."
Very true Warren, being an amateur philologist and lexicographer (my Dictionary Of Trades And Occupations is being worked on) I find all aspects of the English Language, both past and present of never ending fascination and have many books on the subject.
How fluid and dynamic our language is is something that many folks simply don't get...they use the language and think nothing of it. To me it is a subject worthy of great study and understanding...it is after all what makes us who we are.
Hoping none of the above sounds too pompous :puffy:
Regards,
Jay.

 

warren

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Not pompous at all! I am fascinated with words also. (I also am fascinated with words?) I most enjoy the nuances and peculiarities of our language. I take an almost perverse pride in figuring out how to say something offensive without being perceived as such. :rofl: Seriously, it often takes a great deal of thought figuring out how to get a point made so that all reading or listening get the exact same message. Does one speak to the lowest common denominator? Will more knowledgeable listeners become bored and miss the point? Not sure such is really possible. It's a challenge to try though.
Jay: All success to you on your DOTAO! :worship:

 

mawnansmiff

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"Seriously, it often takes a great deal of thought figuring out how to get a point made so that all reading or listening get the exact same message. Does one speak to the lowest common denominator?"
Whenever I write anything be it on this forum or an essay for tutorial appraisal I always have my target 'reader' in mind and write using language appropriate to the given audience. If that means 'speaking' to the lowest common denominator then so be it if I wish my message to be understood.
I also proof read twice before I hit 'send' or 'save'. Some might think that OTT for something so piffling as a forum post but my answer would be simply if you have something to say, even if it as ephemeral in nature as is a forum post then it is simple courtesy to write in a correct manner and not make the reader have to go over it again to get the message.
"This is a fascinating discussion gents."
It is indeed Dave, though I feel I have wandered the thread from its original course...apologies to anyone put out by that...I'm away to bed now... :puffy:
Regards,
Jay.

 
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