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brian64

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I do a lot of reading and scanning of articles and essays, the vast majority of which I don't mention here, but I thought I'd share this piece because I found it to be of extreme relevance to the current societal and cultural chaos and wreckage that surrounds us.

Certainly it could be applicable to some degree to any time and place in history, human nature such as it is...but the dynamics it describes ebb and flow, and we find ourselves at a high tide point of mass stupidity these days, IMO.

I'm not a big Nietzsche fan, but it did bring this quote of his to mind:

“Madness is something rare in individuals — but in groups, parties, peoples, and ages, it is the rule.”

― Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil


"On Stupidity"

Dietrich Bonhoeffer's theory explains much of contemporary politics and culture.
By John Leake

key excerpt:

To understand how to deal with stupidity, we must try to understand its nature. This much is certain: it is not essentially an intellectual, but a human defect. There are people who are intellectually agile who are stupid, while intellectually inept people may be anything but stupid. We discover this to our surprise in certain situations.

One gets the impression that stupidity is often not an innate defect, but one that emerges under certain circumstances in which people are made stupid or allow themselves to be made stupid. We also observe that isolated and solitary people exhibit this defect less frequently than socializing groups of people. Thus, perhaps stupidity is less a psychological than a sociological problem. It is a special manifestation of the influence of historical circumstances on man—a psychological side effect of certain external conditions.

A closer look reveals that the strong exertion of external power, be it political or religious, strikes a large part of the people with stupidity. Yes, it seems as if this is a sociological-psychological law. The power of some requires the stupidity of others. Under this influence, human abilities suddenly wither or fail, robbing people of their inner independence, which they—more or less unconsciously —renounce to adapt their behavior to the prevailing situation.

The fact that stupid people are often stubborn should not hide the fact that they are not independent. When talking to him, one feels that one is not dealing with him personally, but with catchphrases, slogans, etc. that have taken possession of him. He is under a spell; he is blinded; he is abused in his own being.

Having become an instrument without an independent will, the fool will also be capable of all evil, and at the same time, unable to recognize it as evil. Here lies the danger of diabolical abuse. Through this, a people can be ruined forever.


 

georged

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Literally true: In 1950, if a message from the future sparkled into existence which said in 2023 the effective entirety of human knowledge and information was available to anyone at any time and in any place, accessible with an inexpensive pocket-sized device... and that instantaneous communication between individuals and groups was part of the package... Planet Earth and the human species would have been declared saved. That a long list of dreams dreamt since the dawn of civilization would soon come true. Peace for all, education for all, coordinated effort, etc.

How did it actually turn out? In 2023, 90% of the public Internet's bandwidth is used for porn, and a massive thing called the "Dark Net" that's the domain of criminals dwarfs it. And 99% of the non-criminal, non-porn segment is used for instant gratification back-and-forth "social media" narcissistic nonsense.

Why?

The same reason a box of sharp tools and loaded weapons is a bad idea to give to a roomful of ten year old boys: They lack the CAPACITY to deal with the tools and weapons in a useful way, so use them (ignorantly) as entertainment.
 

MikeDub

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Bonhoeffer is great - if you like his writings you may also like Jacques Ellul. The Political Illusion & Propaganda are two of his that are similar in theme to “On Stupidity”
 
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brian64

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Bonhoeffer is great - if you like his writings you may also like Jacques Ellul. The Political Illusion & Propaganda are two of his that are similar in theme to “On Stupidity”
Thanks for the tip...I'll check out Ellul...I don't think I've heard of him before.

I wasn't very familiar with Bonhoeffer either...I'd picked up his name here and there in the past, but I don't remember reading the On Stupidity piece before.

And just an fyi for anyone who may not know...Bonhoeffer was hung by the Nazis in 1945 at the age of 39.
 

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Certainly it could be applicable to some degree to any time and place in history, human nature such as it is...
Agree wholeheartedly. However, it isn't difficult in the slightest to observe how much more egregious it is today than at any previous place or time in human history. Observation is the easy part; acknowledgement is a little trickier! Too many people are in denial of the fact that society currently resembles the film Idiocracy so frighteningly well, that one must wonder where Mike Judge purchased his crystal ball. Of course, the aforementioned stupidity is largely to blame for this, and then it's the chicken-or-the-egg discussion until the cows come home.

Why is humanity's collective brain so utterly gone these days? I blame the smart phone. Not just the mind-numbing content, but the positively ionizing electromagnetic field it puts out is both deleterious and addictive. Not to mention cancer-causing! I think, one day, people (if there's anything left in them) will look upon this blight and the telecommunications companies that peddle it the same way as they regard the tobacco companies circa the 1950s.
 
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georged

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Agree wholeheartedly. However, it isn't difficult in the slightest to observe how much more egregious it is today than at any previous place or time in human history.


Remember standing in the checkout line at a grocery store in the pre-Internet era, looking at the racks of tabloids and thinking to yourself, "I sure am glad the people who produce and consume this shit don't run the world."

Well, the only reason they didn't was because of insufficient connectivity and bandwidth. Hardcopy tabloid newspapers and a handful of sensational & trashy TV and radio shows were all they had.

Today, of course, they are fully connected and have plenty of bandwidth, and the Fat Part of the Bell Curve is driving the bus.

Product makers, service suppliers, government officials, and policy makers---including the police and military---are now being dictated to by a mob of millions of touchy-feely ignorant fools. The mechanism is simple: ignoring, insulting, or contradicting them will cost you your business, your career, your office, or (not kidding) arrest and possible jail time.

The founders of the country understood the danger of literal democracy 250 years ago, so made America a representative republic. They took the further step of allowing only landowners to vote in order to assure that those representatives were selected by clever and industrious citizens. Not deadbeats, fools, or impractical, feelings-based thinkers.

America's slide toward dissolution began when that de facto "citizen quality test" requirement was removed with a constitutional amendment, and reached fruition with the invention of total coverage Internet and smartphones.

100% predictable, yet completely disregarded/ignored at every level in the pursuit of short term profit or personal power.

Which is also 100% predictable, because that's how humans are wired.

Short of another Carrington Event, it won't end, either.
 

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Thanks for the tip...I'll check out Ellul...I don't think I've heard of him before.

I wasn't very familiar with Bonhoeffer either...I'd picked up his name here and there in the past, but I don't remember reading the On Stupidity piece before.

And just an fyi for anyone who may not know...Bonhoeffer was hung by the Nazis in 1945 at the age of 39.
My favorite quote of his from Propanda:

“To the extent that propaganda is based on current news, it cannot permit time for thought or reflection. A man caught up in the news must remain on the surface of the event; he is carried along in the current, and can at no time take a respite to judge and appreciate; he can never stop to reflect. There is never any awareness -- of himself, of his condition, of his society -- for the man who lives by current events. Such a man never stops to investigate any one point, any more than he will tie together a series of news events. We already have mentioned man's inability to consider several facts or events simultaneously and to make a synthesis of them in order to face or to oppose them. One thought drives away another; old facts are chased by new ones. Under these conditions there can be no thought. And, in fact, modern man does not think about current problems; he feels them. He reacts, but be does not understand them any more than he takes responsibility for them. He is even less capable of spotting any inconsistency between successive facts; man's capacity to forget is unlimited. This is one of the most important and useful points for the propagandist, who can always be sure that a particular propaganda theme, statement, or event will be forgotten within a few weeks. Moreover, there is a spontaneous defensive reaction in the individual against an excess of information and -- to the extent that he clings (unconsciously) to the unity of his own person -- against inconsistencies. The best defense here is to forget the preceding event. In so doing, man denies his own continuity; to the same extent that he lives on the surface of events and makes today's events his life by obliterating yesterday's news, he refuses to see the contradictions in his own life and condemns himself to a life of successive moments, discontinuous and fragmented.

This situation makes the "current-events man" a ready target for propaganda. Indeed, such a man is highly sensitive to the influence of present-day currents; lacking landmarks, he follows all currents. He is unstable because he runs after what happened today; he relates to the event, and therefore cannot resist any impulse coming from that event. Because he is immersed in current affairs, this man has a psychological weakness that puts him at the mercy of the propagandist. No confrontation ever occurs between the event and the truth; no relationship ever exists between the event and the person. Real information never concerns such a person. What could be more striking, more distressing, more decisive than the splitting of the atom, apart from the bomb itself? And yet this great development is kept in the background, behind the fleeting and spectacular result of some catastrophe or sports event because that is the superficial news the average man wants. Propaganda addresses itself to that man; like him, it can relate only to the most superficial aspect of a spectacular event, which alone can interest man and lead him to make a certain decision or adopt a certain attitude.

But here we must make an important qualification. The news event may be a real fact, existing objectively, or it may be only an item of information, the dissemination of a supposed fact. What makes it news is its dissemination, not its objective reality.”
 

brian64

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My favorite quote of his from Propanda:

“To the extent that propaganda is based on current news, it cannot permit time for thought or reflection. A man caught up in the news must remain on the surface of the event; he is carried along in the current, and can at no time take a respite to judge and appreciate; he can never stop to reflect. There is never any awareness -- of himself, of his condition, of his society -- for the man who lives by current events. Such a man never stops to investigate any one point, any more than he will tie together a series of news events. We already have mentioned man's inability to consider several facts or events simultaneously and to make a synthesis of them in order to face or to oppose them. One thought drives away another; old facts are chased by new ones. Under these conditions there can be no thought. And, in fact, modern man does not think about current problems; he feels them. He reacts, but be does not understand them any more than he takes responsibility for them. He is even less capable of spotting any inconsistency between successive facts; man's capacity to forget is unlimited. This is one of the most important and useful points for the propagandist, who can always be sure that a particular propaganda theme, statement, or event will be forgotten within a few weeks. Moreover, there is a spontaneous defensive reaction in the individual against an excess of information and -- to the extent that he clings (unconsciously) to the unity of his own person -- against inconsistencies. The best defense here is to forget the preceding event. In so doing, man denies his own continuity; to the same extent that he lives on the surface of events and makes today's events his life by obliterating yesterday's news, he refuses to see the contradictions in his own life and condemns himself to a life of successive moments, discontinuous and fragmented.

This situation makes the "current-events man" a ready target for propaganda. Indeed, such a man is highly sensitive to the influence of present-day currents; lacking landmarks, he follows all currents. He is unstable because he runs after what happened today; he relates to the event, and therefore cannot resist any impulse coming from that event. Because he is immersed in current affairs, this man has a psychological weakness that puts him at the mercy of the propagandist. No confrontation ever occurs between the event and the truth; no relationship ever exists between the event and the person. Real information never concerns such a person. What could be more striking, more distressing, more decisive than the splitting of the atom, apart from the bomb itself? And yet this great development is kept in the background, behind the fleeting and spectacular result of some catastrophe or sports event because that is the superficial news the average man wants. Propaganda addresses itself to that man; like him, it can relate only to the most superficial aspect of a spectacular event, which alone can interest man and lead him to make a certain decision or adopt a certain attitude.

But here we must make an important qualification. The news event may be a real fact, existing objectively, or it may be only an item of information, the dissemination of a supposed fact. What makes it news is its dissemination, not its objective reality.”
Yes, that all speaks to the core of the problem in a number of ways. The little I've already read about Ellul indicates he emphasized the role of technology in controlling and manipulating society. He died in '94, so he didn't get to see what the "digital age" is becoming, but in his time he saw the evolution from print to radio to television. I'm guessing he must have been familiar with Bernays' work on developing propaganda techniques.
 
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georged

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An essential layer to the cake:

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It explains the whole "I can be whatever sex I want" business being rammed down everyone's throat rather neatly, I think.
 

brian64

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An essential layer to the cake:

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It explains the whole "I can be whatever sex I want" business being rammed down everyone's throat rather neatly, I think.
That is a very relevant quote to so much of what has been going on in recent years.

Coincidentally, I just read an interesting Dalrymple essay a couple of days ago that is at least somewhat pertinent to the current discussion:

 
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rmpeeps

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“We also observe that isolated and solitary people exhibit this defect less frequently than socializing groups of people.”

Profound statement of the day… ??!!
Simply by being isolated, they would certainly exhibit the defect less frequently.
 

brian64

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“We also observe that isolated and solitary people exhibit this defect less frequently than socializing groups of people.”

Profound statement of the day… ??!!
Simply by being isolated, they would certainly exhibit the defect less frequently.
In my experience it's been self-evident that individuals by themselves typically exhibit more common sense than some of the things society as a whole accepts as true and reasonable. I think that's the point.

What I've noticed over the years is that often an individual will believe or accept something that is widely believed without ever really thinking about it...some current "thing"...go along to get along. But when questioned and made to actually think about it they tend to suddenly see it differently...but not always.

The group mind tends to be less than the sum of its parts, imo.

PS: It might help to understand his perspective to read the beginning of the piece:

In 1943, the Lutheran pastor and member of the German resistance, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, was arrested and incarcerated in Tegel Prison. There he meditated on the question of why the German people—in spite of their vast education, culture, and intellectual achievements—had fallen so far from reason and morality. He concluded that they, as a people, had been afflicted with collective stupidity (German: Dummheit).

He was not being flippant or sarcastic, and he made it clear that stupidity is not the opposite of native intellect. On the contrary, the events in Germany between 1933 and 1943 had shown him that perfectly intelligent people were, under the pressure of political power and propaganda, rendered stupid—that is, incapable of critical reasoning.
 
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