Perlasca, I love Cumberland as well, don't know if I have the talent to create a churchwarden stem that long, but it is a great idea and Lohengrin I think I will take a shot at making a stem for the Mad Irishman, but I am brand new at stem making but I do realize to be considered a serious artisan I will need to develop that skill, I just hope I'm not too old at 55 to develop the skills needed to become a competent pipe maker.