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jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
26,264
30,361
Carmel Valley, CA
Yeah, for sure; I am in no way defending the tax or collection efforts!! Just seeing if I understand the hustle!
If your state has a bunch of $hithead$ in their tax collection department, you could be liable for taxes and fines on undeclared tax owing your home state. But it's all really crap, as you can't deduct another state's sales tax, can you?

 

jabo

Can't Leave
Jan 26, 2016
321
1
Ignore it and future notices. It'll cost them more to collect than its worth. I never comply with any such bullshit. If they want it, make them work for it. I agree with all the other posts. Do what you feel is right. But for me, give me liberty or give me death ! FDA,and all the other gov't Bull, hell, I'm fed up with it. They won't change my lifestyle.

 

mikestanley

Lifer
May 10, 2009
1,698
1,129
Akron area of Ohio
It's funny. I had a case where a bookkeeper managed to embezzle $400K from her employer using her husband as a vender that she paid. Court ordered restitution of $109K. I contacted the IRS and state Tax dept. They were not interested in the money she didn't pay tax on.

Mike S.

 

skraps

Part of the Furniture Now
Sep 9, 2015
790
6
If a retailer is located out-of-state and has no actual physical location within the consumers state, typically the retailer has no obligation to collect their sales, tobacco, or other tax. It is the consumers responsibility to pay any tax that is owed to their home state.
New Jersey however, has what is called an Amazon Law. It states that if the out-of-state sellers gross receipts from sales to New Jersey residents exceeds $10,000 during the preceding four quarters, they are required to collect sales tax.
My guess though is that the retailer did not fall under the umbrella of the Amazon Law, otherwise they would have actually collected the tax. It would seem the retailer chose to report it to the state and had no obligation to do so.
Personally, I would not use them anymore. Not because I'm saying it's OK to not pay you taxes (that's a personal decision that I have no opinion on) but because I certainly don't want some online retailer deciding to play big brother and notify the state for me.

 

zitotczito

Lifer
Aug 12, 2014
1,128
175
Our state tax returns has a box where we're supposed to claim internet purchases and the tax we owe the state on those purchases. I don't know anyone who has ever filled that space in.

Oh, it's coming but we should still fight it. I would wager that a constitutional and interstate commerce suit could be defended.
Well now you know one person who has filled in the box and paid the tax. I am a good lemming!

 
Jan 4, 2015
1,858
11
Massachusetts
For small business reporting compliance isn't an option. They simply can't afford the legal cost (Upwards of $200,000) of fighting it out in court. Even if they win the cost of doing so would probably put them out of business. They are as much a victim of state tyranny as we are. The only way to put a stop to it is to put out of office those that can't restrain the urge to spend, which is what make the taxation necessary in the first place. Unless we do they will continue to try to get their grubby little hands on every cent they can while telling you it's for your own good! WHEN YOU GO TO THE POLLS NEXT MONTH ASK YOURSELF WHICH CANDIDATES SUPPORT THE "GRANNY STATE", THEN VOTE FOR THE OTHER GUY IN EVERY CASE.

 

tmb152

Can't Leave
Apr 26, 2016
392
5
I just want to say that I think the whole thing stinks and is a big scam on the consumer. Such absurd taxes are confiscatory and oppressive and those passing it ought to be boiled in oil; the very reason why the colonists here went to war with England in the first place in revolt. If those assholes wanted my $6.00 that bad from one tin of tobacco, I would make them work for it and I would drag it out until the absolute end. I mean, the insanity of spending $30.00-$150.00 in taxpayer money or more (time and materials) to try to collect on $6.00 owed from a person in another state! Is it any wonder this country is falling apart.

 

winton

Lifer
Oct 20, 2010
2,318
772
I would pay. I made a transposition error when I filled out tax forms. We had to get a CPA to finally get it straightened out.

 

deathmetal

Lifer
Jul 21, 2015
7,714
35
"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" - Ronald Reagan.
Government offers next to nothing at this point, with significant disadvantages. When do we open this up to the free market? The profit margins are lower.

 

jaygreen55

Starting to Get Obsessed
Jan 29, 2015
172
177
For those that cringe at the prospect of paying sales and other taxes on internet purchases put yourself in the shoes of the brick and mortar retailer in your home state who has to compete for business with internet sellers who don't collect sales tax. It gives them an unfair competitive edge which is helping to drive local establishments out of business

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
12,388
18,726
Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
Except for certain types of businesses, B&Ms are soon to be relics of a passe style of commerce. Unless stellar service or freshness is offered to compensate for higher prices there is no real reason to shop locally.
I shop locally for certain items, photographic gear as I can get immediate replacement for a faulty piece of equipment. I still require the local merchant to be within $100 or so for expensive glass and such. There's a new wrinkle to my style of shopping. One of the on-line merchants I frequent will now eat "overnight" shipping costs to keep me happy. I can now be in the field, if cell service available, report a problem and when I return to my house a replacement will almost certainly be at the door or the local UPS store. UPS will package the broken unit and ship it back charging the vendor.
My local shop simply can't compete. He can't afford to keep big lenses in stock and so can't make a one or two day replacement. It's beyond his capability as he can't have moneys tied up in that manner. In Chicago or New York some vendors can do this and they use their internet presence and capabilities to capture customers like me.
B&Ms are losing out because they simply cannot compete. So, with the loss of tax base, governments entities are quickly filling the void with inter-web taxes. They will become more adept at collecting as they learn the necessary moves and jump the legal hurdles. The retail world is changing and a generation of kids is growing up knowing little else. The taxes will soon be the norm. No one will complain as it is all they know.

 

okiescout

Lifer
Jan 27, 2013
1,530
7
"What company? Would like to know so that I never shop there. Most states expect their residents to report and pay any internet sales tax not collected by the out-of-state merchant, but I have never heard of the merchant being responsible for reporting a consumer to their respective state for non-payment, let alone doing it of their own volition. Kind of surprised that this is not a phishing scam."
Yup!

 
May 4, 2015
3,210
16
Anything purchased from Amazon in Nevada gets taxed
I haven't noticed this, but I haven't ordered in a month or so. We just had a giant, and I mean GIANT, DC open across the interstate from me, so I wonder if where it ships from matters. Oddly enough, nothing I've ordered seems to ship from across the street, so I wonder if that's strategic to avoid taxes.

 
May 4, 2015
3,210
16
To that point, I wish they had a will-call. If I could walk over there and get my Ball Lids, pipe cleaners, craft supplies, etc., it would be incredible.

 
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